11/19 WWE Monday Night Raw: CM Punk's Reign Day #365, 1 Year Strong, No End in Sight
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And of course the last hour of Raw has gotten the worst ratings consistently every week since they went to 3 hours. Now it fits the wrestlefag talking points so lets talk about it. Dishonestly, as alwaysSo we going to keep lying that's a hour by hour breakdown . Not segment by segment that comes out Tomm in observer apparently .so now you get credit for being in the hour or just the segments?
These guys are like Fox pundits on Nov 7th. Such bizarro nonsense and complete disconnect from reality that you just shake your head and laugh.
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smh @ all this Ziggler pom poming. This just proves how much wrestling fans have lower their standards when it come to liking a superstar and praising them for things that aren't hard for anyone else in the locker room. Let me just say this, that Ziggler performance was not special. Back in the AE and Ruthless aggression era average superstars use to do things like that in their sleep. Dolph did okay. But that's not something to warrant him getting the MVP title.
I never said it was earth shattering or Austin King of The Ring 96' worthy, it was simply Ziggler's most impressve to date. Just giving him credit for that is fine.
I called him the MVP of the scandal storyline because other than his small improvements nothing else has come close to being enjoyable. It's one of the worse structured story's they done quite some time. It's just garbage everyweek Vickie brings lame evidence and laughs like 80's movie bad guy, Then AJ and, or Cena will deny it but still come off looking guilty or hiding something. Then Ziggler will come out and a fight breaks out the end zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. They finally switched things up this week. His AJ promo, the bathroom brawl with Cena, and kissing scenes were the 1st well done elements in this already month old feud.
As much as we loved the Attitude and RE eras, their over and done. so what's the point of bringing them up. In case you haven't noticed this ERA is soft and tame as fukk.
Haven't done one of these in a while [coolio]awwwww here we go[kenan & kel theme]
-Ryback's promo was ok. He shouldn't be doing squash matches against lower card guys at this point. 1 step forward, 2 steps back....
-It seems like WWE doesn't know how to make deep feuds anymore. It's just basic "You have the title, I want the title" feuds or these two aren't doing anything so let's just pair them up feuds....hell sometimes they're both in the same feud. Kofi, Barrett, Orton, Del Rio, Brodus, Tensai, Cesaro, Truth, Divas, etc. are just drifting and it's sad to see. Even title holders like Rhodes, Christian, and the Miz were just floating around with a piece of gold. Is it complacency on behalf of creative, wrestlers not wanting to rock the boat, lack of fan interest or what?
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at Aksana's suit.
-Either Cena never turns heel, he turns at the end of his career, or he turns when WWE grooms an above average and successful new heel/face. That's basically where we are in Cena land. I don't knock Cena for his PR work and it's sad that he seems to be the only man (because of WWE as well as fans) capable of carrying the company.
-That Cena/AJ kiss was just a shock value thing. They could've just done that three weeks ago. Cena's knee is fukked up (kayfabe) but that ankle twist was real. Vince probably shyttin on himself backstage.
-Looks like Orton's gonna turn heel late this year or next year. To make up for him turning heel Miz has to turn as well as Daniel Bryan.
-I've said this before but Del Rio either needs to turn probably next year or get an impact finisher. Del Rio's matches tend to bore me since we know his objective for the match: weaken the arm.
-I hate Hornswoggle.
-David Otunga had a lowkey good thing going with the vest/coffee flask attire. Now that Ace is gone they should be ramping up the Lawyer gimmick full time. Kinda like Phoenix Wright, Attorney at Law lol.
-I don't like the Miz but turning face was the best thing he's done in forever. He spent his whole career (
) as a heel and peaked last year so let him go.
-Sheamus/Show in two months is better than Sheamus/Del Rio in six. Think about that.
-I didn't even recognize Tamina, lol. She looks like Eve's dad.
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at Ziggler. Between the promo at Main Event and this segment he's starting to get comfortable talking live. Shows different aspects (agressive, brooding) of the character. That Ziggler/Cena brawl while short was dope. Reminiscent of past WWE. I always thought a big part why WWE is weak these days is because of the lack of backstage development/interaction between wrestlers as well as non in-ring moments anymore.
-The commentary during the tag team match was awesome. Titus really shined and it was cool to hear all four of them genuinely laughing it up. Cole shat on Black Cena somethin serious tho with "Titus is the muscle and entertainment, who the fukk are you?"
-Daniel Bryan has a built-in face turn: embrace the Yes! chants again. Main event face in the wings.
-Even tho I didn't like Punk making fun of Lawler it was kinda great to see Heyman call out the double standard. My beef with Punk's segment was that it was unnecessary at that point. However, this is the same company that used Orton to exploit Eddie's passing for heat.
-Ryback/Punk was ok. I like the loose affiliation of the "Shield" with Punk/Heyman. I don't think I want Punk running with another stable. If it does become official hopefully WWE/Heyman/Punk can find ways to keep their momentum and not let it fizzle out like every other stable seems to do. Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns are talented and can integrate themselves in the roster very well if they give them a chance. That said, stables are stale. WWE should go back to creating tag teams of new wrestlers since it's inevitable the stable will fail. This era of the WWE resembles the 80's more than Attitude/RA and steady character/moveset development is essential for these new guys.
"best in the world, pal."
-Ryback's promo was ok. He shouldn't be doing squash matches against lower card guys at this point. 1 step forward, 2 steps back....
-It seems like WWE doesn't know how to make deep feuds anymore. It's just basic "You have the title, I want the title" feuds or these two aren't doing anything so let's just pair them up feuds....hell sometimes they're both in the same feud. Kofi, Barrett, Orton, Del Rio, Brodus, Tensai, Cesaro, Truth, Divas, etc. are just drifting and it's sad to see. Even title holders like Rhodes, Christian, and the Miz were just floating around with a piece of gold. Is it complacency on behalf of creative, wrestlers not wanting to rock the boat, lack of fan interest or what?
-
at Aksana's suit. -Either Cena never turns heel, he turns at the end of his career, or he turns when WWE grooms an above average and successful new heel/face. That's basically where we are in Cena land. I don't knock Cena for his PR work and it's sad that he seems to be the only man (because of WWE as well as fans) capable of carrying the company.
-That Cena/AJ kiss was just a shock value thing. They could've just done that three weeks ago. Cena's knee is fukked up (kayfabe) but that ankle twist was real. Vince probably shyttin on himself backstage.
-Looks like Orton's gonna turn heel late this year or next year. To make up for him turning heel Miz has to turn as well as Daniel Bryan.
-I've said this before but Del Rio either needs to turn probably next year or get an impact finisher. Del Rio's matches tend to bore me since we know his objective for the match: weaken the arm.
-I hate Hornswoggle.
-David Otunga had a lowkey good thing going with the vest/coffee flask attire. Now that Ace is gone they should be ramping up the Lawyer gimmick full time. Kinda like Phoenix Wright, Attorney at Law lol.
-I don't like the Miz but turning face was the best thing he's done in forever. He spent his whole career (
) as a heel and peaked last year so let him go.-Sheamus/Show in two months is better than Sheamus/Del Rio in six. Think about that.
-I didn't even recognize Tamina, lol. She looks like Eve's dad.
-
at Ziggler. Between the promo at Main Event and this segment he's starting to get comfortable talking live. Shows different aspects (agressive, brooding) of the character. That Ziggler/Cena brawl while short was dope. Reminiscent of past WWE. I always thought a big part why WWE is weak these days is because of the lack of backstage development/interaction between wrestlers as well as non in-ring moments anymore.-The commentary during the tag team match was awesome. Titus really shined and it was cool to hear all four of them genuinely laughing it up. Cole shat on Black Cena somethin serious tho with "Titus is the muscle and entertainment, who the fukk are you?"
-Daniel Bryan has a built-in face turn: embrace the Yes! chants again. Main event face in the wings.
-Even tho I didn't like Punk making fun of Lawler it was kinda great to see Heyman call out the double standard. My beef with Punk's segment was that it was unnecessary at that point. However, this is the same company that used Orton to exploit Eddie's passing for heat.
-Ryback/Punk was ok. I like the loose affiliation of the "Shield" with Punk/Heyman. I don't think I want Punk running with another stable. If it does become official hopefully WWE/Heyman/Punk can find ways to keep their momentum and not let it fizzle out like every other stable seems to do. Ambrose/Rollins/Reigns are talented and can integrate themselves in the roster very well if they give them a chance. That said, stables are stale. WWE should go back to creating tag teams of new wrestlers since it's inevitable the stable will fail. This era of the WWE resembles the 80's more than Attitude/RA and steady character/moveset development is essential for these new guys.
"best in the world, pal."
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agreed, it was a good promo but the over-reaction here is ridiculous, how many times has orton called diva's hoes in promos
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i don't give two shyts about dolph but that segment legit was given what u marks know about aj and how she has been depicted by these sheets thats why it was extra 
i thought
even to the casual fan that sounded
given what u marks know about aj and how she has been depicted by these sheets thats why it was extra i thoughteven to the casual fan that sounded
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Seriously, who cares if X wrestler did this type of promo prior to Ziggler, or if this was a constant in the Attitude Era, we are talking about now. The knock on Ziggler has been his inability to generate any kind of decent/semi-shoot/dark/non-goofy promo and this time he finally nailed it. Nothing wrong with giving him props, when outside of what Punk is doing we aren't seeing anything as dark/entertaining. Don't always need to play the Devil's Advocate role, just because others enjoy something. No one's saying it's the GOAT promo or anything, it was just well done. Now hopefully he can keep adding to that offensive arsenal, those 8 elbow drops of death have been a good start 
^ exactly. It was the way he delivered it that really made it good. Came off very natural and without any hiccups.
After months of hearing Dolph cut generic, forgettable promos, it was encouraging for a guy that seems like he's putting it all together.
After months of hearing Dolph cut generic, forgettable promos, it was encouraging for a guy that seems like he's putting it all together.
Wow. Disgust for scientific wrestling. The IWC of 2012 is a beautiful thing.
I don't hate Del Rio it's just personally I like to see a bit more variety in how one wins their matches. Most have at least two ways of winning. Del Rio has one. Weakening a body part is a good way to get the face the comeback rally and create tension from time to time, IMO just not when it's your M.O.
That's the way it used to always be when finishers were strong in the kayfabe years.
Not everyone can just turn it on like Kana or Steamboat. System wrestling is what you usually see in the E.