[06/10] AEW Dynamite: Cody Rhodes' Fireworks Extravaganza

[Bryan Danielson]

I get being "Jobber Friendly" and all. Especially when the roster is young and you've still got a gang of motherfukkers that haven't made it to TV yet.. but it does a disservice to say, Omega's presentation to a possible larger-scale audience when he's having competitive bouts with enhancement talent instead of bodying them with one V-Trigger after 3-4 minutes.

There CAN be a friendly balance either by accident (See, Ellsworth) or by design (See, Heath Slater's initial SDL run) but the cardinal rule is you gotta keep your stars looking like stars, breh. Otherwise, they just come off as being one step above being another face in the crowd.

Which is true but get this.....

And when I say this to you or really anyone else that may try to misconstrue or twist.

Not comparing any of the talent say Kenny faced to Cena.

But imagine Kurt squashes Cena in 3 mins, then he goes on to gets squashed by Taker and others the next few shows. He probably doesn’t become who he is today. That doesn’t benefit the roster and company long term

Also, here’s something y’all may want to take into consideration. If these top guys are having long balanced matches with these unknowns, maybe they trynna tell you “these are NOT jobbers”

 

[Starboy52]

Which is true but get this.....

And when I say this to you or really anyone else that may try to misconstrue or twist.

Not comparing any of the talent say Kenny faced to Cena.

But imagine Kurt squashes Cena in 3 mins, then he goes on to gets squashed by Taker and others the next few shows. He probably doesn’t become who he is today. That doesn’t benefit the roster and company long term

Also, here’s something y’all may want to take into consideration. If these top guys are having long balanced matches with these unknowns, maybe they trynna tell you “these are NOT jobbers”

Fair point, they may be trying to do that. But that's where that presentation comes in.

A part of the reason why Cena worked out (And why nobody in their right mind believes that bullshyt about him being on the chopping block before the Halloween Segment) is that they IMMEDIATELY followed up with presenting him as someone to keep an eye on. They had him get props from Taker, The WWE Champion, right after that match.

Then dropped him in a feud with Chris Jericho, who was less than 4-5 months removed from his own World Title Reign + Main Eventing WM, and gave him the surprise win at Vengeance.

They had him teaming with Edge & Mysterio, 2 of Heyman's SD 6, at house shows and such before his turn in the fall. Dude was PRIMED for big things out of the gate, and that turn & gimmick change expedited what was already built upon. So far outside of certain acts, their main concern is featuring everybody they can. Which, not a bad idea, but it doesn't help them if trying to establishing everybody is their aim because there's just so much you can do with one 2 hour show a week that most people follow.

I don't doubt Cody & Kenny have ideas for a lot of dudes on the roster. Most have built in fanbases already that they can probably build upon and the ones who have already caught fire (OC, Darby, Sammy G, MFJ, Hangman, Jungleboy) can't be in the wait for long. But presentation matters. Both for the dudes they WANT to feature and the ones they currently NEED to feature.

 

[krackdagawd]

Best wrasslin show out till njpw byke

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Fair point, they may be trying to do that. But that's where that presentation comes in.

A part of the reason why Cena worked out (And why nobody in their right mind believes that bullshyt about him being on the chopping block before the Halloween Segment) is that they IMMEDIATELY followed up with presenting him as someone to keep an eye on. They had him get props from Taker, The WWE Champion, right after that match.

Then dropped him in a feud with Chris Jericho, who was less than 4-5 months removed from his own World Title Reign + Main Eventing WM, and gave him the surprise win at Vengeance.

They had him teaming with Edge & Mysterio, 2 of Heyman's SD 6, at house shows and such before his turn in the fall. Dude was PRIMED for big things out of the gate, and that turn & gimmick change expedited what was already built upon. So far outside of certain acts, their main concern is featuring everybody they can. Which, not a bad idea, but it doesn't help them if trying to establishing everybody is their aim because there's just so much you can do with one 2 hour show a week that most people follow.

I don't doubt Cody & Kenny have ideas for a lot of dudes on the roster. Most have built in fanbases already that they can probably build upon and the ones who have already caught fire (OC, Darby, Sammy G, MFJ, Hangman, Jungleboy) can't be in the wait for long. But presentation matters. Both for the dudes they WANT to feature and the ones they currently NEED to feature.

I overall agree... In all fairness I think with the pandemic going on everyone is just doing they best they can with what they have and though no one (AEW) is above criticism. We probably should be a little more patient and easy with our criticism.

And I believe like every company try trynna to do the best they can with what they have when it comes to presentation and have been doing a pretty good job.

Like let’s be real, this pandemic is the only reason MVP is back on tv and why Bobby Lashley is challenge for a title now. Or even Braun being a champ. If Reigns was there...... I think he’d probably be in the mix as a contender.

Back to the Cena thing, everything you said was right. After that Angle “angle” (sorry had to used that pun). He did get some pretty cool opportunities and he did rise to the occasion to become who he became.

I think that is the other part of the talent and then becomes THEIR responsibility for the guys some of us are complaining about getting 12+ min matches with Cody/Omega/Mox/etc.

It’s really up to them to go out and prove it and if they are as good as they believe they are and the company thinks they are, they will with the opportunities. If not then I guess we move on, but they gotta have the opportunity first. I can’t hate on that.

WWE and pretty much every other company that’s been around can to a degree focus more top heavy cause they have established stars and a brand.

But anyone new from LU, to NWA Power, to AEW don’t have that same luxury and kind of have to feature everyone and give you that larger sample size

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Again..... everything I’m saying is based off my introduction and re-education I got from companies like Lucha Underground and NJPW.

Like some shyt I here people complain about it claim they need.

Watching those shows broke me from some of the thing that Vince for years tried to indoctrinate me to and now I’m no longer tethered

 

[Starboy52]

I overall agree... In all fairness I think with the pandemic going on everyone is just doing they best they can with what they have and though no one (AEW) is above criticism. We probably should be a little more patient and easy with our criticism.

And I believe like every company try trynna to do the best they can with what they have when it comes to presentation and have been doing a pretty good job.

Like let’s be real, this pandemic is the only reason MVP is back on tv and why Bobby Lashley is challenge for a title now. Or even Braun being a champ. If Reigns was there...... I think he’d probably be in the mix as a contender.

Back to the Cena thing, everything you said was right. After that Angle “angle” (sorry had to used that pun). He did get some pretty cool opportunities and he did rise to the occasion to become who he became.

I think that is the other part of the talent and then becomes THEIR responsibility for the guys some of us are complaining about getting 12+ min matches with Cody/Omega/Mox/etc.

It’s really up to them to go out and prove it and if they are as good as they believe they are and the company thinks they are, they will with the opportunities. If not then I guess we move on, but they gotta have the opportunity first. I can’t hate on that.

WWE and pretty much every other company that’s been around can to a degree focus more top heavy cause they have established stars and a brand.

But anyone new from LU, to NWA Power, to AEW don’t have that same luxury and kind of have to feature everyone and give you that larger sample size

Oh, no doubt this Pandemic has fukked up the plans for everybody and we're seeing how they adapt. But I think as a whole (my beef with Cody being TNT Champion over Darby aside), AEW has handled everything better than the WWE has for the most part.

It's just a lot of little things you notice after a while they can improve on, but they're still in that learning phase where they're figuring out what works booking wise, what ain't it, and building an identity that keeps true to their vision but is still palatable for the masses. They got a lot of time to play with.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Oh, no doubt this Pandemic has fukked up the plans for everybody and we're seeing how they adapt. But I think as a whole (my beef with Cody being TNT Champion over Darby aside), AEW has handled everything better than the WWE has for the most part.

It's just a lot of little things you notice after a while they can improve on, but they're still in that learning phase where they're figuring out what works booking wise, what ain't it, and building an identity that keeps true to their vision but is still palatable for the masses. They got a lot of time to play with.

The only beef I have with Cody or the TNT title is I don’t think it needs to be featured every week.

Like I feel like that’s the problem with the WWE. When the same guys are shown every week, they start to say the same thing, do the same shyt, and get stale. Also the lesser used people just begin to feel less important, than it feels weird when they just randomly and inorganically start using them again.

Seth hasn’t said anything new in 3+ weeks
As cute as the SPs vs VR competition games been, nothing from them week after week been new or innovative

Im not saying guys need to be gone for weeks but every other week or “2 on, 2 off” I don’t think that would hurt the talent and plus it’s a great way to continue to show more talent.

Truth be told, I’d rather see Michael Nakazawa, The Librarians, etc occasionally get on than see one single talent get spotlighted every week.

 

[Starboy52]

The only beef I have with Cody or the TNT title is I don’t think it needs to be featured every week.

Like I feel like that’s the problem with the WWE. When the same guys are shown every week, they start to say the same thing, do the same shyt, and get stale. Also the lesser used people just begin to feel less important, than it feels weird when they just randomly and inorganically start using them again.

Seth hasn’t said anything new in 3+ weeks
As cute as the SPs vs VR competition games been, nothing from them week after week been new or innovative

Im not saying guys need to be gone for weeks but every other week or “2 on, 2 off” I don’t think that would hurt the talent and plus it’s a great way to continue to show more talent.

Truth be told, I’d rather see Michael Nakazawa, The Librarians, etc occasionally get on than see one single talent get spotlighted every week.

It's not even just the fact that everybody begins blending together in the E after a while, it's that the attempts to actually shake something up is just reusing something they think works, but in reality, only drives the point in deeper that changes need to be made.

They want to feature a bigger spotlight on NXT and find a way to promote the "Wildcard Rule" to add a little spice to each show? Send Charlotte down to NXT to beat an up and comer for the NXT Women's Title, then have her go on a world tour nobody asked for.

Wanna get heat on Seth/sympathy on Aleister Black? Have Black beat Murphy then Seth stomp him out like they did back in December/January during the first iteration of this feud, and lowkey during the Black/OC feud the next month.

shyt is MADDENING when you know what they're gonna do and how they're gonna do it when there's 1,001 better options out there.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

shyt if we wanna keep it buck..... people forgot how wrestling was in the 80s and early 90s.

There was a time when the champs NEVER really wrestled on tv like and yet alone sometimes even showed up. That’s part of what made Flair and Hogan huge and big draws.

I grew up on WCW (and I’m talking pre Bischoff/Hogan) and Saturday Main Event (which at the time was basically WCWs Raw/Dynamite, before Nitro came) it was rare to the same guys week in and out. At best sometimes Flair, Sting, Vader, Rude, etc would just come out to cut a promo and that’s it.

So when they did come on tv, it felt special or when a PPV was coming, you felt more compelled to buy it cuz you haven’t been over saturated with seeing them mix it up for 4-8 weeks straight

Also that was a great way to constantly keep the title matches on PPV verse now adays where it’s a bunch of random feuds no one cares for and like 2 or 3 title matches

 

[Brad Piff]

shyt if we wanna keep it buck..... people forgot how wrestling was in the 80s and early 90s.

There was a time when the champs NEVER really wrestled on tv like and yet alone sometimes even showed up. That’s part of what made Flair and Hogan huge and big draws.

I grew up on WCW (and I’m talking pre Bischoff/Hogan) and Saturday Main Event (which at the time was basically WCWs Raw/Dynamite, before Nitro came) it was rare to the same guys week in and out. At best sometimes Flair, Sting, Vader, Rude, etc would just come out to cut a promo and that’s it.

So when they did come on tv, it felt special or when a PPV was coming, you felt more compelled to buy it cuz you haven’t been over saturated with seeing them mix it us for 4-8 weeks straight

Also that was a great way to constantly keep the title matches on PPV verse now adays where it’s a bunch of random feuds no one cares for and like 2 or 3 title matches

The only beef I have with Cody or the TNT title is I don’t think it needs to be featured every week.

Like I feel like that’s the problem with the WWE. When the same guys are shown every week, they start to say the same thing, do the same shyt, and get stale. Also the lesser used people just begin to feel less important, than it feels weird when they just randomly and inorganically start using them again.

Seth hasn’t said anything new in 3+ weeks
As cute as the SPs vs VR competition games been, nothing from them week after week been new or innovative

Im not saying guys need to be gone for weeks but every other week or “2 on, 2 off” I don’t think that would hurt the talent and plus it’s a great way to continue to show more talent.

Truth be told, I’d rather see Michael Nakazawa, The Librarians, etc occasionally get on than see one single talent get spotlighted every week.

Again..... everything I’m saying is based off my introduction and re-education I got from companies like Lucha Underground and NJPW.

Like some shyt I here people complain about it claim they need.

Watching those shows broke me from some of the thing that Vince for years tried to indoctrinate me to and now I’m no longer tethered

I overall agree... In all fairness I think with the pandemic going on everyone is just doing they best they can with what they have and though no one (AEW) is above criticism. We probably should be a little more patient and easy with our criticism.

And I believe like every company try trynna to do the best they can with what they have when it comes to presentation and have been doing a pretty good job.

Like let’s be real, this pandemic is the only reason MVP is back on tv and why Bobby Lashley is challenge for a title now. Or even Braun being a champ. If Reigns was there...... I think he’d probably be in the mix as a contender.

Back to the Cena thing, everything you said was right. After that Angle “angle” (sorry had to used that pun). He did get some pretty cool opportunities and he did rise to the occasion to become who he became.

I think that is the other part of the talent and then becomes THEIR responsibility for the guys some of us are complaining about getting 12+ min matches with Cody/Omega/Mox/etc.

It’s really up to them to go out and prove it and if they are as good as they believe they are and the company thinks they are, they will with the opportunities. If not then I guess we move on, but they gotta have the opportunity first. I can’t hate on that.

WWE and pretty much every other company that’s been around can to a degree focus more top heavy cause they have established stars and a brand.

But anyone new from LU, to NWA Power, to AEW don’t have that same luxury and kind of have to feature everyone and give you that larger sample size

Which is true but get this.....

And when I say this to you or really anyone else that may try to misconstrue or twist.

Not comparing any of the talent say Kenny faced to Cena.

But imagine Kurt squashes Cena in 3 mins, then he goes on to gets squashed by Taker and others the next few shows. He probably doesn’t become who he is today. That doesn’t benefit the roster and company long term

Also, here’s something y’all may want to take into consideration. If these top guys are having long balanced matches with these unknowns, maybe they trynna tell you “these are NOT jobbers”

If you wanna build stars, companies gotta stop jobbing they roster out.

Talent wise, the E has and has had more talent than they’ve ever had in the existence of their company.

But star wise due to how the use and mistreat them, they’ve had less than ever in compared to the 80s and 90s.

Hulk, Randy, Piper were the stars but they didn’t have Mr. Perfect, Tatanka, Big Bossman, Coco BeWare and IRS just randomly getting destroyed and jobbing ever other week like they do current guys. Until they decent “hey we wanna push you” like out of no where Apollo came. 2-3 months ago he either wasn’t on tv or was getting squashed

That ain’t the way

Heres my only pushback and it’s not really simply a “oh trynna defend AEW thing” before anyone jumps to that.

But I think from watching how the Es been doing it for decades. Then watching how LU and NJPW does. I’m fine with the long matches from unknown guys to build them up.

Squashing most of your roster consistently and only elevating 12 people does nothing for your company. And makes it hard to believe later when you brag “but we have the BEST talent in the world”

Looking back at LU, one can make a case they had the strongest roster in modern times as they didn’t destroy or ruin talent for the sake of it or to spitefully get another top guy over.

That the main reason why you can get behind and believe Pentagon can take on 4 women

Oh I see.

Na it wasn’t a title shot it was just a match.

Under any other circumstances, I can actually see that point. But I think he was just trynna give his buddy in addition to a little bit of exposure, a payday. Cuz think about it, only AEW, WWE, and loosely Impact are running. So what about the indie guys and how are they getting paid?

Looking at last nights Dark, it was cool seeing quite a few guys get that exposure and chance to get a check that normally they wouldn’t be getting while most current signed company people are still getting paid.

I bet Vince ain’t stopped paying Reigns, Tessa still getting a check, Naito and Okada still getting checks, Pentagon still getting checks, Nick Aldus still getting checks.

So from that perspective, I think it’s cool what they doing with Dark

Good lord man

 

[Bryan Danielson]

And see @Starboy52

That’s what I was talking about.

We having a pretty generic peaceful conversations/discussion.... but then you get people like that

The coli funny sometimes, you can’t tell jokes. Then you can’t have “over a beer” type peaceful convos

 

[Starboy52]

Good lord man

Breh, it was an honest discussion. Why break up the peace to try and get the stan wars shyt popping?

 

[Brad Piff]

I’m not trying to get anything popping. I just had to laugh at the amount of juelzing going on in here. You wanna continue wasting time on a back and forth with someone who’s dead set in his stanning ways, have at it lol.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Another L for butcher and blade

 

[Norrin Radd]

And see @Starboy52

That’s what I was talking about.

We having a pretty generic peaceful conversations/discussion.... but then you get people like that

The coli funny sometimes, you can’t tell jokes. Then you can’t have “over a beer” type peaceful convos

Can't help themselves smh