Why didnt House Music develop the South?

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The South didn't have a huge nightclub scene like those cities.

This is why hip hop grew in NYC, as well

In the South partying wasn't being done all over the place, until the early morning

Not really breh. Atlanta legit had much better night life back then, the city had 24 hour nightclubs in the 70s/80s and everybody remembers what Buckhead used to be like in the late 90’s/00’s. If anything nightlife now in 2018 is a shell of itself now, Bourbon St in New Orleans been popping for hundreds of years and South Beach has been doing its thing for decades now too. shyt ain’t nothing new, it’s just that people actually pay attention to the south now. That’s a new thing, in old enough to remember when that wasn’t the case.

And House music is big in Atlanta, large Black Gay population and large numbers of up north transplants, it’s a reason the House Music Festival is the same weekend as Black Gay Pride.
 

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@IllmaticDelta you should do a thread on go go from its funk roots to its influence on other subgenres :ehh:

I was thinking about making a thread on different types of rhythmic motions that funk brings out depending on the groove because too many people think of funk(yness) as the fast breakbeat variety that makes one dance like



or even the slower groove dances like



without acknowledging the "bounce" grooves of gogo funk (southern funky new orleans/hbcu brass bands too) or the more head nodding variety of synth-funk or slow breakbeats (funky drumming). In the thread I was going to bring up gogo funk and how it relates to "bounce" and modern hiphop styles that come from the south.
 
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I was thinking about making a thread on different types of rhythmic motions that funk brings out depending on the groove because too many people think of funk(yness) as the fast breakbeat variety that makes once dance like



or even the slower groove dances like



without acknowledging the "bounce" grooves of gogo funk (southern funky new orleans/hbcu brass bands too) or the more head nodding variety of synth-funk or slow breakbeats (funky drumming). In the thread I was going to bring up gogo funk and how it relates to "bounce" and modern hiphop styles that come from the south.


I agree with @Poitier you really should make these two threads breh. GoGo has such an underrated lowkey history that a good amount of us here in the DMV don’t even know...I didn’t even know GoGo had such a strong relationship, history, and even kinship with contemporary Southern music and New Jack Swing.

And a thread on Funk is definitely highly needed too because that genre is arguably the grandfather of modern African American music and has provided the key ingredients to the creation of Disco, House, Hip Hop, Breakbeat, Electro, Bass, New Jack Swing, GoGo, Neo Soul, G-Funk, etc. It deserves proper appreciation and a thorough analysis.
 

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Not really breh. Atlanta legit had much better night life back then, the city had 24 hour nightclubs in the 70s/80s and everybody remembers what Buckhead used to be like in the late 90’s/00’s. If anything nightlife now in 2018 is a shell of itself now, Bourbon St in New Orleans been popping for hundreds of years and South Beach has been doing its thing for decades now too. shyt ain’t nothing new, it’s just that people actually pay attention to the south now. That’s a new thing, in old enough to remember when that wasn’t the case.

And House music is big in Atlanta, large Black Gay population and large numbers of up north transplants, it’s a reason the House Music Festival is the same weekend as Black Gay Pride.

AGAIN! I never said people didn't party

How many times do I have to say I'm talking about DIFFERENT TYPES of clubs, and the AMOUNTS of them?

It was this amount of different clubs, particularly in NYC, that gave way to the dj culture, which gave way to the different style that came from that culture such as hip hop music, disco, and house music. That is the point yall keep missing. It's not about partying itself. Please read my posts before replying to me, i'm tired of repeating myself.

And you are going on about the 90's, and 2000's, shyt changed all over the world by that point, I'm talking about the 70's, and early 80's.

And South beach shouldn't even be included on the list, because blacks weren't even allowed on South Beach like that in the 70's after a certain time, and it was for old people, no partying was happening, so what are you talking about? South beach didn't start being known for what it is today until the mid 80's, after the drug money built it up.
 
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AGAIN! I never said people didn't party

How many times do I have to say I'm talking about DIFFERENT TYPES of clubs, and the AMOUNTS of them?

It was this amount of different clubs, particularly in NYC, that gave way to the dj culture, which gave way to the different style that came from that culture such as hip hop music, disco, and house music. That is the point yall keep missing. It's not about partying itself. Please read my posts before replying to me, i'm tired of repeating myself.

And you are going on about the 90's, and 2000's, shyt changed all over the world by that point, I'm talking about the 70's, and early 80's.

And South beach shouldn't even be included on the list, because blacks weren't even allowed on South Beach like that in the 70's after a certain time, and it was for old people, no partying was happening, so what are you talking about? South beach didn't start being known for what it is today until the mid 80's, after the drug money built it up.

:mjlol: Cot damn I should’ve quoted you before you edited that shyt. I saw what you posted first breh :pachaha:


Breh it’s like this, I actually agree with some of your points, but you was flat out wrong on the “folks didn’t party in the south like that until the early morning” shyt. I clearly said there was 24 hour clubs in the 70s and 80s in Atlanta, what you think Club 112 was? The old old 112 in the Disco Kroger plaza was an anytime thing. And that shyt had been open for over a decade before anyone outside the city even heard about it. And Bourbon St been a thing since forever and fukk south beach, Coloredtown (Overtown) in Miami been a strip since the 20’s back when the Black community in Dade was just a bunch of Geechi ass nikkas and a few Bahamaians. fukk is you really saying breh? How you miss that? House music didn’t develop in the south like that, I’ll give you that, but it’s not for the reasons you and others are saying. House music and gay dudes go hand in hand, Midtown Atlanta was just as gay in the 70’s as it now, before the high rises it was a 24 hour gay club district. Add that up and I’m not seeing what you saying patna.
 

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:mjlol: Cot damn I should’ve quoted you before you edited that shyt. I saw what you posted first breh :pachaha:


Breh it’s like this, I actually agree with some of your points, but you was flat out wrong on the “folks didn’t party in the south like that until the early morning” shyt. I clearly said there was 24 hour clubs in the 70s and 80s in Atlanta, what you think Club 112 was? The old old 112 in the Disco Kroger plaza was an anytime thing. And that shyt had been open for over a decade before anyone outside the city even heard about it. And Bourbon St been a thing since forever and fukk south beach, Coloredtown (Overtown) in Miami been a strip since the 20’s back when the Black community in Dade was just a bunch of Geechi ass nikkas and a few Bahamaians. fukk is you really saying breh? How you miss that? House music didn’t develop in the south like that, I’ll give you that, but it’s not for the reasons you and others are saying. House music and gay dudes go hand in hand, Midtown Atlanta was just as gay in the 70’s as it now, before the high rises it was a 24 hour gay club district. Add that up and I’m not seeing what you saying patna.
All i did was ADD to it, I didn't take anything away. What I added was about south beach, and emphasizing "different types", and "amounts"

You are still missing my point!

You are just naming certain areas, I'm talking about the WHOLE CITY!

If you just look at Manhattan, you are talking about at least 50 nightclubs, once you include the boroughs, the number would be at least 100 nightclubs. Then when you include the block parties that used to happen, it's clear to see there is huge difference between the places you named, and NYC in the 70's, and early 80's.

That is a lot of nightclubs, and all bringing something different to the table. This will cause competition, and that competition is what brings different styles of djing, which then contributes to the different styles that came out from that time. If a dj is known for playing certain songs, and he is constantly filling up the club,a label will notice this, and do more music like that, and things grow from there. That's not including the different styles of djing. Like I mentioned in my previous post, smooth mixing using the pitch control, and using the eq in the mix, came from gay dj's. Dj PLummer went to a gay club, saw them doing that, and he brought it to the straight clubs. Breaks being a major part of the party came from Herc, and then that eventually started spreading to other dj's throughout the city, until hip hop music got its own clubs.

Again, my point is because there were so many nightclubs, along with block parties, where you can party all night to the day(not including some of the best drugs), it changes the scope of things. If I party at one club, get tired of the dj, I can go to another one around the same area for another dj. If I want to hear something different, I can go to another club to hear that dj. You can literally do this for every hour throughout the night, and still have more nightclubs to visit the next week. If you are too young to get into the nightclubs, you can still party at the park jams or rec centers, and still do your thing. That is the difference I'm talking about.
 
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And a thread on Funk is definitely highly needed too because that genre is arguably the grandfather of modern African American music and has provided the key ingredients to the creation of Disco, House, Hip Hop, Breakbeat, Electro, Bass, New Jack Swing, GoGo, Neo Soul, G-Funk, etc. It deserves proper appreciation and a thorough analysis.

not even arguable but facts
 
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Which is why I wrote in my post : "I should say booty music, not miami bass, because that is kind ofdifferent."

Meaning Miami bass has some early old school like t la rock's "its yours", with some of the fast pace of "planet rock", and some go-go.
Frank Ski brought all that TO the south after moving from NY to BALTIMORE, they didn't generate anything themselves (nationally) past the jazz-blues-soul era...nikkas moved NORTH and WEST with their talents...and then DJs brought certain sounds back down.
Musically, as far as what we're on, the south didn't exist outside of itself until 1989...and I'll reiterate once more: The south's favorite break is from a NY one-off group called the showboys, with no southern members or ties outside of grandparents.
Mannie Fresh group was NY incorporated.
For the atlanta brehs: If it wasn't for Cinci's LA Reid, y'all would still be a backwater college town.
Cinci nikkas just son and run you.
Philant getting popped up in Cinci...LA Reid planting seeds in y'all fertile country ground, helping y'all EXIST and THRIVE
 
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Atlanta's destiny was set in stone when it got the airport. If it wasn't LA Reid, it would have been someone else taking advantage.
No doubt...can't credit those from the soil for much of the development other than being there and being dope.
If he would have chosen VA beach while Teddy was still there...who knows what we would be talking about now, or how shyt would sound
 
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