who thinks a major recession is coming? Housing / rent costs is up, wages are stagnant and low

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Wages and jobs are up...not down?

Steady property values increasing are a good thing.

Inflationary periods mean the economy is doing well.

I think you should educate yourself on the actual data and not get caught up in headlines and ppls baised opinion breh...

Wages are not up...wages haven't had a real increase since the 1970s
For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades

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Property value is increasing due to foreign investors from formerly/currently 3rd world countries and they got money due to capital being shifted overseas...places like Australia, Toronto are quickly becoming impossible to live in unless you got a million dollars because of these foreigners...it is not because of citizens...

Why foreign investors are investing in regional property over London
Increasing Foreign Investment in U.S. Real Estate | Buildium
Ontario’s lack of foreign-buyer data sparks concern about a Toronto housing crisis
How Canada’s real estate market went completely insane

Unemployment isn't up
Here's the real unemployment rate

55 Percent of Americans in Metropolitan areas are gonna lose their job due to automation
The Parts of America Most Susceptible to Automation
Still, the authors estimate that almost all large American metropolitan areas may lose more than 55 percent of their current jobs because of automation in the next two decades. “We felt it was really stunning, since we are underestimating the probability of automation,” said Johannes Moenius, the director of the Institute for Spatial Economic Analysis at the University of Redlands, which prepared the report.


I think you should educate yourself on the actual data and not get caught up in headlines and ppls baised opinion breh...
 
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We are due for a correction. And they are still issuing $0 down and/or interest only loans, which led to the decline in 2008.

You can't place those types of loans in good bonds and expect otherwise. Everything is just renamed and guised under different products but the same shyt will happen again.
 

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Wages are not up...wages haven't had a real increase since the 1970s
For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades

Wage_stagnation.png



Property value is increasing due to foreign investors from formerly/currently 3rd world countries and they got money due to capital being shifted overseas...places like Australia, Toronto are quickly becoming impossible to live in unless you got a million dollars because of these foreigners...it is not because of citizens...

Why foreign investors are investing in regional property over London
Increasing Foreign Investment in U.S. Real Estate | Buildium
Ontario’s lack of foreign-buyer data sparks concern about a Toronto housing crisis
How Canada’s real estate market went completely insane

Unemployment isn't up
Here's the real unemployment rate

55 Percent of Americans in Metropolitan areas are gonna lose their job due to automation
The Parts of America Most Susceptible to Automation
Still, the authors estimate that almost all large American metropolitan areas may lose more than 55 percent of their current jobs because of automation in the next two decades. “We felt it was really stunning, since we are underestimating the probability of automation,” said Johannes Moenius, the director of the Institute for Spatial Economic Analysis at the University of Redlands, which prepared the report.


I think you should educate yourself on the actual data and not get caught up in headlines and ppls baised opinion breh...

Your wage graph clearly says it only factors in employees in production. This is not a true stat to the whole workforce - again picking and chosing the stat.

Property values are OVERLY increasing in major metro areas from overseas investing but again not as a whole in the nation.

Automation is a part of developing nations. These ppl that are in jobs need to acquire more skills or get into other fields. Nonetheless has nothing to do with a recssion soon.


Just asking you to be fair here breh...
 

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Your wage graph clearly says it only factors in employees in production. This is not a true stat to the whole workforce - again picking and chosing the stat.

Property values are OVERLY increasing in major metro areas from overseas investing but again not as a whole in the nation.

Automation is a part of developing nations. These ppl that are in jobs need to acquire more skills or get into other fields. Nonetheless has nothing to do with a recssion soon.


Just asking you to be fair here breh...

Most people live in Metro Areas...that's where jobs are...

If foreign rich people are buying up shyt...and the real estate market is catering to these people because they got money...that means the average aspiring middle class citizen cannot buy a home and afford to live there.

The wage graph is about average wages for employees that are in production and non-supervisor roles...meaning non-executives and factory employees...

It literally says it right here from the same link...

According to the BLS, the average hourly wage for non-management private-sector workers last month was $20.67, unchanged from August and 2.3% above the average wage a year earlier. That’s not much, especially when compared with the pre-Great Recession years of 2006 and 2007, when the average hourly wage often increased by around 4% year-over-year. (During the high-inflation years of the 1970s and early 1980s, average wages commonly jumped 8%, 9% or even more year-over-year.)


But after adjusting for inflation, today’s average hourly wage has just about the same purchasing power as it did in 1979, following a long slide in the 1980s and early 1990s and bumpy, inconsistent growth since then. In fact, in real terms the average wage peaked more than 40 years ago: The $4.03-an-hour rate recorded in January 1973 has the same purchasing power as $22.41 would today.


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And automation is part of capitalists replacing employees because they don't wanna pay labor...

The reason why wealthy inequality has rapidly increased is because capitalists don't pay labor according to productivity

The Productivity–Pay Gap

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From 1973 to 2015, net productivity rose 73.4 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 11.1 percent over 42 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

Rising productivity provides the potential for substantial growth in the pay for the vast majority. However, this potential has been squandered in recent decades. The income, wages, and wealth generated over the last four decades have failed to “trickle down” to the vast majority largely because policy choices made on behalf of those with the most income, wealth, and power have exacerbated inequality. In essence, rising inequality has prevented potential pay growth from translating into actual pay growth for most workers. The result has been wage stagnation.

For future productivity gains to lead to robust wage growth and widely shared prosperity, we need to institute policies that reconnect pay and productivity, such as those in EPI’s Agenda to Raise America’s Pay. Without such policies, efforts to spur economic growth or increase productivity (the largest factor driving growth) will fail to lift typical workers’ wages.


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So the wages/salary increases are going to executives...

Wage_stagnation2.png


What gains have been made, have gone to the upper income brackets. Since 2000, usual weekly wages have fallen 3.7% (in real terms) among workers in the lowest tenth of the earnings distribution, and 3% among the lowest quarter. But among people near the top of the distribution, real wages have risen 9.7%.

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And how does it automation nothing to do with a recession when people won't have jobs and people with jobs ain't being paid according to how productive they are...and can't afford to live where jobs are because the people that greatly benefited from jobs being shipped overseas are buying up property in the metro areas in the nations where the jobs left...

Bruh...that's a recession/depression...
 
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Republicans have a bill right now in Congress to lift the restrictions on banks from the previous administration and they are saying it will allow banks to offer better services for communities but I wouldn't be surprised if this bill really let banks run wild again.
 

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Most people live in Metro Areas...that's where jobs are...

If foreign rich people are buying up shyt...and the real estate market is catering to these people because they got money...that means the average aspiring middle class citizen cannot buy a home and afford to live there.

The wage graph is about average wages for employees that are in production and non-supervisor roles...meaning non-executives and factory employees...

It literally says it right here from the same link...

According to the BLS, the average hourly wage for non-management private-sector workers last month was $20.67, unchanged from August and 2.3% above the average wage a year earlier. That’s not much, especially when compared with the pre-Great Recession years of 2006 and 2007, when the average hourly wage often increased by around 4% year-over-year. (During the high-inflation years of the 1970s and early 1980s, average wages commonly jumped 8%, 9% or even more year-over-year.)


But after adjusting for inflation, today’s average hourly wage has just about the same purchasing power as it did in 1979, following a long slide in the 1980s and early 1990s and bumpy, inconsistent growth since then. In fact, in real terms the average wage peaked more than 40 years ago: The $4.03-an-hour rate recorded in January 1973 has the same purchasing power as $22.41 would today.


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And automation is part of capitalists replacing employees because they don't wanna pay labor...

The reason why wealthy inequality has rapidly increased is because capitalists don't pay labor according to productivity

The Productivity–Pay Gap

112164-13602.png


From 1973 to 2015, net productivity rose 73.4 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 11.1 percent over 42 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

Rising productivity provides the potential for substantial growth in the pay for the vast majority. However, this potential has been squandered in recent decades. The income, wages, and wealth generated over the last four decades have failed to “trickle down” to the vast majority largely because policy choices made on behalf of those with the most income, wealth, and power have exacerbated inequality. In essence, rising inequality has prevented potential pay growth from translating into actual pay growth for most workers. The result has been wage stagnation.

For future productivity gains to lead to robust wage growth and widely shared prosperity, we need to institute policies that reconnect pay and productivity, such as those in EPI’s Agenda to Raise America’s Pay. Without such policies, efforts to spur economic growth or increase productivity (the largest factor driving growth) will fail to lift typical workers’ wages.


----------

So the wages/salary increases are going to executives...

Wage_stagnation2.png


What gains have been made, have gone to the upper income brackets. Since 2000, usual weekly wages have fallen 3.7% (in real terms) among workers in the lowest tenth of the earnings distribution, and 3% among the lowest quarter. But among people near the top of the distribution, real wages have risen 9.7%.

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And how does it automation nothing to do with a recession when people won't have jobs and people with jobs ain't being paid according to how productive they are...and can't afford to live where jobs are because the people that greatly benefited from jobs being shipped overseas are buying up property in the metro areas in the nations where the jobs left...

Bruh...that's a recession/depression...

Im out. U have an agenda with your opinion clearly. Enjoy the weekend breh....
 

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Wages and jobs are up...not down?

Steady property values increasing are a good thing.

Inflationary periods mean the economy is doing well.

I think you should educate yourself on the actual data and not get caught up in headlines and ppls baised opinion breh...

if you dont middle class and under arent getting priced out to having 40 min commutes or ridicolous rent... i dont know to tell you. unless you think all this is part of the economy doing good?
 

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Wages and jobs are up...not down?

Steady property values increasing are a good thing.

Inflationary periods mean the economy is doing well.

I think you should educate yourself on the actual data and not get caught up in headlines and ppls baised opinion breh...
There is always some genius that pops in a economic thread to tell everyone how great things actually are despite tons of data and real people experience that show otherwise.
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*and I say that as someone that's doing well financially yet still see's the reality out here.
 

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Yeah republicans deregulate shyt when they get power a bubble will be created and the comes recession so you know how that go.

This. The money changers don't induce a recession until after they suck as much money as they can out of the economy.
 
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