Stop calling my culture "Hip-Hop"

[IllmaticDelta]

Pretty sure anyone who was there in the late 70s when the culture was taking shape will tell you the musical aspect of the culture stems from the West Indies.

It doesn't. That's a myth that need's to be deaded. 1970's HipHop culture grew out of Afram Funk/Disco/Soul scene








and

Another early pioneer who has been forgotten that predated Herc in the Bronx scene.

Dj Disco King Mario

He was actually from Bronx scene and one of the founder/leaders of the Black Spades.

REMEMBER DISCO KING MARIO

This Saturday [August 18th 2001] Hip Hop's pioneers will be coming out in full force to pay tribute to the memory of one of its legendary DJs who passed away a few years back-Disco King Mario. We often hear about the achievements of people like Bambaataa, Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash, but very little is said about some of the other pioneers who also laid down much of the foundation we now call Hip Hop. Cats like Pete DJ Jones, Grand Wizard Theodore, the late DJ Flowers and of course Mario were key architects.

Disco King Mario never released no records. He didn't produce no major rap stars. I'm not even sure if he ever toured around the world once Hip Hop became known world wide. However, for those of us who were around back in the beginning days of the 70s, Disco King Mario who lived upstairs from my man DJ Paradise of X-Clan over in the Bronxdale Housing projects, was a household name. He was known for throwing some of Hip Hop's best jams and keeping the party going. He was staple in early Hip Hop whose name and his crew Chuck Chuck City was mentioned on many of the early tapes. One of Mario's unwritten contributions was mentioned on many of the early tapes. One of Mario's unwritten contributions was how he gave

Afrika Bambaattaa a helping hand. He used loan Bam his dj equipment. Later on Bam would face Mario in his first official DJ battle. Back in the early days it was Disco King Mario who was at the top of heap and the man to beat
Today its hard for people to understand the significance of the DJ. When Hip Hop first began it wasn't the rapper who was in charge. It was the DJ. It was the DJ came to symbolized the African drummer. It was the DJ who kept the pace and set the tone. It was the DJ who rocked the crowd and was the supreme personality who garnered the spot light. Everyone else including the rappers were secondary. Cats from all over came to your party based upon who was deejaying. Hence when Disco King Mario's name was mentioned cats came from all over because he was the man. He was the type of cat who simply had that magic and command of the crowd. Sadly he passed away before his time, unknown to many of today's bling bling artists who benefit from the culture he helped laid down.

If you happen to be in New York, you may see a flyer being circulated around that is reminiscent of the old school flyers from back in the days. 'By Popular demand DJ Cool Clyde, Lightnin Lance, The Nasty Cuzins, Quiet Az Kept Present their first annual Old School Reunion & Picnic'. It lets you know that the celebration for Disco King Mario is taking place Saturday August 18th at Rosedale 'Big Park' in the Bronx. The Big Park itself is legendary. When I was a kid living on Croes Avenue, we were absolutely forbidden to go across the street to the Big Park. That was because the Big Park was where many of many of the early Black Spades used to hang out. The Spades at that time were the largest and most notorious gang at that time. They eventually evolved to become The Mighty Zulu Nation. As for the Big Park, it eventually became the place where Disco King Mario would eventually throw many of his early gigs.
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Hip Hop News

And since your speaking on the culture of hip hop, where in the south did Graphite come from?

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That's was from the North and originated in Philly by Aframs


What we now think of as "HipHop Graf" started in Philly in the late mid to late 1960's

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And where in the south did blending record ms on turntables and utilization of break beats originate from?

That's NYC Disco culture

I've never met a southerner to make a claim to any of that.

You haven't? This is common knowledge by southern blacks that hiphop was a northern offshoot of southern practices.

Southern blacks had their own culture that was very influential as far as our food, jazz music etc but as far as Hip Hop culture as a whole? Nah

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You realize that the aframs in the north brought their southern backgrounds with them?

Rapping? - easily found in the southern black oral traditions
Breakbeats? - is funk music which is also of southern roots
HipHop dance? - heavily rooted in Jazz dance which is rooted in the South..shyt like tap dancing and swing dance

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

where in the south was graph prevalent, who are the artists. I'm not even arguing I'm really trying to understand what your saying?

Kilroy was here - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it's not "modern hip hop graf" but it's still street art in a way. shyt's been around forever...

 

[CashmereThoughts]

I'm so ready to be off this regionalism shyt. Southern blacks invented our cuisine, the first American art form ever "jazz" and a lot of other shyt. Even the "African Americans" that live here in NYC are just few generations removed from South Carolina and Mississippi.

Y'all got it man, y'all made y'all mark. but hip hop is something we grew up with here and we lived and breathed. It ain't have nothing to do with no white exploitation when we was taging up bathroom stall or banging beats on the lunch table and freestyling. Thus done shyt we lived and we are proud of that.

 

[Mowgli]

black culture existed and flourished in a similar manner that it does today, minus the money, before white people called it hip hop and started raping them dumb ass New York nikkas for every part of their culture...

Hip hop is the name white people gave black culture in New York as they started to commercialize it.

Hip hop is the name of the subgroup of blacks in NYC that made no money. And sold their soul.


HIP HOP can suck my dikk. nikkas rapped, appropriated language, and appropriated clothing way before New York in the 80s.... All over the new world...

So stop calling all black music hip hop... Then pretend like it's one New York gift to black people. It's not.. The New York gift was getting raped by the white man all over again...

Everybody raps. Black culture is strongest in the south

Grandmaster flash/bambatta made the term hiphop
Sugar hill gang was the first to say it on record

Negged

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Far more southern blacks subscribe to the white mans religious teachings




and social constructs of America.

See my post here

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/refu...e-is-europeanized.280978/page-7#post-11793953

 

[CashmereThoughts]

It doesn't. That's a myth that need's to be deaded. 1970's HipHop culture grew out of Afram Funk/Disco/Soul scene








and

Another early pioneer who has been forgotten that predated Herc in the Bronx scene.

Dj Disco King Mario

He was actually from Bronx scene and one of the founder/leaders of the Black Spades.

REMEMBER DISCO KING MARIO


This Saturday [August 18th 2001] Hip Hop's pioneers will be coming out in full force to pay tribute to the memory of one of its legendary DJs who passed away a few years back-Disco King Mario. We often hear about the achievements of people like Bambaataa, Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash, but very little is said about some of the other pioneers who also laid down much of the foundation we now call Hip Hop. Cats like Pete DJ Jones, Grand Wizard Theodore, the late DJ Flowers and of course Mario were key architects.

Disco King Mario never released no records. He didn't produce no major rap stars. I'm not even sure if he ever toured around the world once Hip Hop became known world wide. However, for those of us who were around back in the beginning days of the 70s, Disco King Mario who lived upstairs from my man DJ Paradise of X-Clan over in the Bronxdale Housing projects, was a household name. He was known for throwing some of Hip Hop's best jams and keeping the party going. He was staple in early Hip Hop whose name and his crew Chuck Chuck City was mentioned on many of the early tapes. One of Mario's unwritten contributions was mentioned on many of the early tapes. One of Mario's unwritten contributions was how he gave

Afrika Bambaattaa a helping hand. He used loan Bam his dj equipment. Later on Bam would face Mario in his first official DJ battle. Back in the early days it was Disco King Mario who was at the top of heap and the man to beat
Today its hard for people to understand the significance of the DJ. When Hip Hop first began it wasn't the rapper who was in charge. It was the DJ. It was the DJ came to symbolized the African drummer. It was the DJ who kept the pace and set the tone. It was the DJ who rocked the crowd and was the supreme personality who garnered the spot light. Everyone else including the rappers were secondary. Cats from all over came to your party based upon who was deejaying. Hence when Disco King Mario's name was mentioned cats came from all over because he was the man. He was the type of cat who simply had that magic and command of the crowd. Sadly he passed away before his time, unknown to many of today's bling bling artists who benefit from the culture he helped laid down.

If you happen to be in New York, you may see a flyer being circulated around that is reminiscent of the old school flyers from back in the days. 'By Popular demand DJ Cool Clyde, Lightnin Lance, The Nasty Cuzins, Quiet Az Kept Present their first annual Old School Reunion & Picnic'. It lets you know that the celebration for Disco King Mario is taking place Saturday August 18th at Rosedale 'Big Park' in the Bronx. The Big Park itself is legendary. When I was a kid living on Croes Avenue, we were absolutely forbidden to go across the street to the Big Park. That was because the Big Park was where many of many of the early Black Spades used to hang out. The Spades at that time were the largest and most notorious gang at that time. They eventually evolved to become The Mighty Zulu Nation. As for the Big Park, it eventually became the place where Disco King Mario would eventually throw many of his early gigs.
​

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Hip Hop News

And since your speaking on the culture of hip hop, where in the south did Graphite come from?
Click to expand...​

That's was from the North and originated in Philly by Aframs


What we now think of as "HipHop Graf" started in Philly in the late mid to late 1960's

go to 3:00 mins in this video



@ :25 secs

And where in the south did blending record ms on turntables and utilization of break beats originate from?
Click to expand...​

That's NYC Disco culture

I've never met a southerner to make a claim to any of that.
Click to expand...​

You haven't? This is common knowledge by southern blacks that hiphop was a northern offshoot of southern practices.

Southern blacks had their own culture that was very influential as far as our food, jazz music etc but as far as Hip Hop culture as a whole? Nah
Click to expand...​

You realize that the aframs in north brought their southern backgrounds with them?

Rapping? - easily found in the southern black oral traditions
Breakbeats? - is funk music which is also of southern roots
HipHop dance? - heavily rooted in Jazz dance which is rooted in the South..shyt like tap dancing and swing dance

There's a lot to address here, was flowers before Herc? Some Brooklyn dudes love to make that claim that they was DOin it first but by all accounts I hear BK nikkas was getting them tapes from uptown before they was creating anything.


Who was before Herc when it comes extending segments of records so nikkas could talk over them? If it wasn't Herc then I'll give it to you

 

[CashmereThoughts]

@IllmaticDelta yiu make some compelling arguments. Some of it challenges the accounts I've heard. Some of it boils down to one mans version of what happened verses another.

I'm going to watch these videos.

 

[mobbinfms]

It doesn't. That's a myth that need's to be deaded. 1970's HipHop culture grew out of Afram Funk/Disco/Soul scene








and

Another early pioneer who has been forgotten that predated Herc in the Bronx scene.

Dj Disco King Mario

He was actually from Bronx scene and one of the founder/leaders of the Black Spades.

REMEMBER DISCO KING MARIO


This Saturday [August 18th 2001] Hip Hop's pioneers will be coming out in full force to pay tribute to the memory of one of its legendary DJs who passed away a few years back-Disco King Mario. We often hear about the achievements of people like Bambaataa, Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash, but very little is said about some of the other pioneers who also laid down much of the foundation we now call Hip Hop. Cats like Pete DJ Jones, Grand Wizard Theodore, the late DJ Flowers and of course Mario were key architects.

Disco King Mario never released no records. He didn't produce no major rap stars. I'm not even sure if he ever toured around the world once Hip Hop became known world wide. However, for those of us who were around back in the beginning days of the 70s, Disco King Mario who lived upstairs from my man DJ Paradise of X-Clan over in the Bronxdale Housing projects, was a household name. He was known for throwing some of Hip Hop's best jams and keeping the party going. He was staple in early Hip Hop whose name and his crew Chuck Chuck City was mentioned on many of the early tapes. One of Mario's unwritten contributions was mentioned on many of the early tapes. One of Mario's unwritten contributions was how he gave

Afrika Bambaattaa a helping hand. He used loan Bam his dj equipment. Later on Bam would face Mario in his first official DJ battle. Back in the early days it was Disco King Mario who was at the top of heap and the man to beat
Today its hard for people to understand the significance of the DJ. When Hip Hop first began it wasn't the rapper who was in charge. It was the DJ. It was the DJ came to symbolized the African drummer. It was the DJ who kept the pace and set the tone. It was the DJ who rocked the crowd and was the supreme personality who garnered the spot light. Everyone else including the rappers were secondary. Cats from all over came to your party based upon who was deejaying. Hence when Disco King Mario's name was mentioned cats came from all over because he was the man. He was the type of cat who simply had that magic and command of the crowd. Sadly he passed away before his time, unknown to many of today's bling bling artists who benefit from the culture he helped laid down.

If you happen to be in New York, you may see a flyer being circulated around that is reminiscent of the old school flyers from back in the days. 'By Popular demand DJ Cool Clyde, Lightnin Lance, The Nasty Cuzins, Quiet Az Kept Present their first annual Old School Reunion & Picnic'. It lets you know that the celebration for Disco King Mario is taking place Saturday August 18th at Rosedale 'Big Park' in the Bronx. The Big Park itself is legendary. When I was a kid living on Croes Avenue, we were absolutely forbidden to go across the street to the Big Park. That was because the Big Park was where many of many of the early Black Spades used to hang out. The Spades at that time were the largest and most notorious gang at that time. They eventually evolved to become The Mighty Zulu Nation. As for the Big Park, it eventually became the place where Disco King Mario would eventually throw many of his early gigs.
​

Click to expand...​

Hip Hop News

And since your speaking on the culture of hip hop, where in the south did Graphite come from?
Click to expand...​

That's was from the North and originated in Philly by Aframs


What we now think of as "HipHop Graf" started in Philly in the late mid to late 1960's

go to 3:00 mins in this video



@ :25 secs

And where in the south did blending record ms on turntables and utilization of break beats originate from?
Click to expand...​

That's NYC Disco culture

I've never met a southerner to make a claim to any of that.
Click to expand...​

You haven't? This is common knowledge by southern blacks that hiphop was a northern offshoot of southern practices.

Southern blacks had their own culture that was very influential as far as our food, jazz music etc but as far as Hip Hop culture as a whole? Nah
Click to expand...​

You realize that the aframs in north brought their southern backgrounds with them?

Rapping? - easily found in the southern black oral traditions
Breakbeats? - is funk music which is also of southern roots
HipHop dance? - heavily rooted in Jazz dance which is rooted in the South..shyt like tap dancing and swing dance

Best post in the entire thread. So I learned something today. Disco DJs were doing breakbeats before hip hop DJs.

 

[kingdizzy01]

beautiful...an actual discussion...

for some more knowledge which extends into the breakin/bboy culture, peep

 

[frush11]

Thread started off a bit iffy with all the nonsense talk about BMF and all that petty stuff.

But its evolve into a great discussion.

Love these type off threads

 

[ridedolo]

So yall NYC nikkas is mad???

Good. fukk yall self hating ass nikkas. Str8 up. Confused ass simple minded broke depressed ugly fukks

I'm from nyc and i agree with a lot of what you said

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

"MAN PLANT SEEDS THAT BRING FORTH MULTIPLE BREEDS
SO MANY CULTURES ON THIS PLANET...BUT ONE CULTURE'S FREE!" - Nasty Nas









































The only culture that matters is the culture of SELF aka I-GOD



everything else is just a silly ideological description based on subjective opinion and flawed scientifical observations

 

[ridedolo]

That is "hip hop"
Using words and appropriating them to our culture.
I say nikka proudly, like I said, I'm aware of my culture...
This ain't my language... It's my culture to perform language ARTS
nikka is an example of that.

Only problem is... So much of what makes hip hop, is repeated throughout the diaspora and throughout our history. Not just now and 1970. But so much of what we do in hip hop. The slaves and their descendants did all over the world throughout history.

But nikkas was told they was special. And now they walk around putting other nikkas down like they ain't as good as them....


But fukk you dumb nikkas, you really the WORSE of us all

i watched a documentary about the Gullah people in the deep south, and one thing that stood out was how some of their vernacular, which was west african derived, we still use today. i.e., "good-good", and "gwinnin" - both often used in rap.

 

[Zero]

Don't claim memphis and Miami..they look at Atl like NY nikkas do.
Shout outs to all my GDs and Stones in your weak, pitiful city.
Shout outs to all B's and C's in your weak, pitiful city.
Why does Atlanta have NEW YORK BLOODS? Sounds like y'all nikkas double false flagging.
Faking some fake shyt and being public with it through the music.
All these rolling 60 rappers, too. Where y'all from?
Have you heard Yung LA sounding like Juelz Santana? I have.
You remember that group Ghetto Mafia? I do, because I'm older than you, bamma.
I remember when they wished they were from California.
I even remember when people said Outkast sounded like a fake ass Heiroglyphics...now look at those favorite rapper lists (Andre 3k's favorites are Heiro and Pharcyde)...Y'all nikkas got shyt on by Pimp C before he passed, QUITE TRUTHFULLY.
Ain't Jeezy from Hawkinsville? That's 2 hours away from atlanta...and it's not MACON, either.
Damn.
Ain't Gucci from the GUMP? Damn...that's even further away from the A.
Ain't Waka from fukking QUEENS, NYC? Not even the same region. What have y'all been besides a place where other nikkas come up?
Ain't Big boi from Augusta?

 

[kingofnyc]

black culture existed and flourished in a similar manner that it does today, minus the money, before white people called it hip hop and started raping them dumb ass New York nikkas for every part of their culture...

Hip hop is the name white people gave black culture in New York as they started to commercialize it.

Hip hop is the name of the subgroup of blacks in NYC that made no money. And sold their soul.


HIP HOP can suck my dikk. nikkas rapped, appropriated language, and appropriated clothing way before New York in the 80s.... All over the new world...

So stop calling all black music hip hop... Then pretend like it's one New York gift to black people. It's not.. The New York gift was getting raped by the white man all over again...

Everybody raps. Black culture is strongest in the south