Spectre: Bond 24 Official Thread

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The only thing I think is overrated about it is the idea that it's the "greatest bond of all time" I think that's incorrect. To me, that's either From Russia with Love or Casino Royale but Skyfall is a dope dope movie. The only emotional investment comes in Bond's journey which works for me a lot
:mindblown:"greatest bond of all time"

The villain was so trash in that movie. How many times is a Bond villain gonna leave Bond alone to give him a chance to escape? That shyt was so stupid I almost turned it off. And I never understood why Bond let the Shanghai assassin shoot dude in the back of the head like that before he attacked him. He could have saved the mans life, but just watched him get merked like that.

:childplease:I hated Quantum, but I still put that movie over Skyfall.
 

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:mindblown:"greatest bond of all time"

The villain was so trash in that movie. How many times is a Bond villain gonna leave Bond alone to give him a chance to escape. shyt was so cliche and stupid I almost turned it off. And I never understood why Bond let the Shanghai assassin shoot dude in the back of the head like that before he attacked him. He could to have save the mans life, but just watched him get merked like that.

:childplease:I hated Quantum, but I still put that movie over Skyfall.

I hear you but here's the reason I can justify it and it may be a bit of a reach but go with me a bit: Silva is arrogant. That much is obvious from the first message he sends M. He, much like the Joker, gets a thrill out of toying with Bond because it's all part of his plan. Bond is merely something in the way of him getting to M which is why he initially tries to turn Bond to his side. The only reach with it is the idea that he knows ALL of this is coming: MI6 will retreat to their bunker once security is breached, they'll send Bond since he's one of the last if not the last 00's in the field (and obviously Silva would know he's not really dead) Bond will come to his island but will radio for backup, then Silva will be transferred to the bunker, then he'll make his way to M's hearing. All of that is far fetched but you go with it because it's executed well and you get the idea that the guy probably is that smart.But even him being that smart is :comeon:

And I'm not knocking Bond for his desire or lack of desire to save people from executions lol. Homie has a history of being cold and cavalier to peoples deaths, he isn't superman or spider man or batman where the loss of life is inexcusable; he really doesn't care, just wants to get the job done, do his mission, and save queen and country. If one person has to die on the way to that end, so be it. That's always been his makeup. Think of the women he's sacrificed over the years
 

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I hear you but here's the reason I can justify it and it may be a bit of a reach but go with me a bit: Silva is arrogant. That much is obvious from the first message he sends M. He, much like the Joker, gets a thrill out of toying with Bond because it's all part of his plan. Bond is merely something in the way of him getting to M which is why he initially tries to turn Bond to his side. The only reach with it is the idea that he knows ALL of this is coming: MI6 will retreat to their bunker once security is breached, they'll send Bond since he's one of the last if not the last 00's in the field (and obviously Silva would know he's not really dead) Bond will come to his island but will radio for backup, then Silva will be transferred to the bunker, then he'll make his way to M's hearing. All of that is far fetched but you go with it because it's executed well and you get the idea that the guy probably is that smart.

And I'm not knocking Bond for his desire or lack of desire to save people from executions lol. Homie has a history of being cold and cavalier to peoples deaths, he isn't superman or spider man or batman where the loss of life is inexcusable; he really doesn't care, just wants to get the job done, do his mission, and save queen and country. If one person has to die on the way to that end, so be it. That's always been his makeup. Think of the women he's sacrificed over the years
Yea your second paragraph is the conclusion I came to too, but it just bugged me the way he attacks him the second after he kills dude. I never understood the reason to wait until that point. I might have to watch it again going into Spectre to understand Silva's motives and that whole island scene which I hated. I think I was let down so much watching the second half of Skyfall because I was so into the first half. I can easily say Skyfall had the best Bond opening ever. But, thats probably why I'm so hard on the rest of the movie.
 

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Yea your second paragraph is the conclusion I came to too, but it just bugged me the way he attacks him the second after he kills dude. I never understood the reason to wait until that point. I might have to watch it again going into Spectre to understand Silva's motives and that whole island scene which I hated. I think I was let down so much watching the second half of Skyfall because I was so into the first half. I can easily say Skyfall had the best Bond opening ever. But, thats probably why I'm so hard on the rest of the movie.

I feel that. I love the movie but there are some slow points. The stuff on the island is to try to convince Bond to go to the darkside but also because homie knows all of this is coming. That's the one issue I have with the movie though. I know he's smart and capable but is he really THAT smart? He knew all of this was going to happen the way it did? That Bond was going to get a radio from Q Branch which he would then use to call MI6? I went with it because the actors and the directors sold it and clearly Silva is on point and you get the idea that he's been planning this for a while in order to get his revenge on M. But I've bought more absurd things from Bond movies :whoknows:
 

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:ehh: That's fair. Dalton's legacy suffers because he only had 2 to work with although that's no fault of his own. Pierce was a good Bond too just had some terrible movies minus the first

Dalton gets unfair hate but as a reader of Fleming's novels he nailed what Bond should be, I have no problem with Craig, I just find it funny that all things he is praised for Dalton did it first and IMO better. I do have some sympathy for Brosnan he wanted better Bond films than he got, but he was too smarmy me.
 

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Dalton gets unfair hate but as a reader of Fleming's novels he nailed what Bond should be, I have no problem with Craig, I just find it funny that all things he is praised for Dalton did it first and IMO better. I do have some sympathy for Brosnan he wanted better Bond films than he got, but he was too smarmy me.

I've always found that to be hilarious and ironic. Audiences weren't ready then that's really what it comes down to. Pierce's films along with Austin Powers just showed how silly the franchise had become and it was time to scale it back and in a post 9/11 world, it's hard to do movie like Die Another Day with a straight face. Bond is always defined by the time in which the actor is playing him and the time we were in and still are in call for a more serious, dangerous hero. I read the books too and I think Craig and Dalton and Connery to a large degree nail the character the best but add in their own charms and quirks.
 

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I'm saying...have dudes not seen the masterpiece that is Casino Royale.

From START TO FINISH that movie is classic. Quantum and Skyfall....eh...they could have been much much MUCH better. I'll agree with that. Especially Skyfall because Quantum was lackluster coming off the greatness that was CR. Skyfall started out amazing and then ended very flat.

It's like a Cane Sugar Pepsi that was left in the freezer right before it freezes...you pop it open...it's delicious...cold...frosty...then you put it down somewhere on the side of the coach and accidentally take a sip from it the next day. shyt all warm and flat now...fukk :scusthov:
 

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I'm saying...have dudes not seen the masterpiece that is Casino Royale.

From START TO FINISH that movie is classic. Quantum and Skyfall....eh...they could have been much much MUCH better. I'll agree with that. Especially Skyfall because Quantum was lackluster coming off the greatness that was CR. Skyfall started out amazing and then ended very flat.

It's like a Cane Sugar Pepsi that was left in the freezer right before it freezes...you pop it open...it's delicious...cold...frosty...then you put it down somewhere on the side of the coach and accidentally take a sip from it the next day. shyt all warm and flat now...fukk :scusthov:

But he's great in Quantum it's the movie around him that suffers and Quantum gets a pass in my book due to all the turmoil around it that wasn't the fault of anyone on set or off set, just politics. Hard to write a movie during a writer's strike
 
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