So My 8 Year Old Neice Tells me That Her School Gives Her Fluoride Pills. . .

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Meta Reign said:
It's my wife's sister. I told her not to sign off on it this school year, she said she wouldn't.
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yea that is good though id do the same, i never even heard of chewable fluoride tablets till today but they still got other kids getting them because its supposedly necessary? but then why would there be an option.....:mindblown: scientific research trolling hard
 
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first off, the blog you posted has no credibility whatsoever, and certainly not more than your beloved peer reviewed scientific studies. if there have been severla studies that have refuted the harvard ones then link me straight to the studies, not some blogger giving his opinion.

Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
Fluorosis is nothing more than (permanently) stained teeth. If you consider that 'hazardous' then I'd advise you to buy purified air.
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lol listen to what youre saying bro, you sound ridiculous. nothing wrong with some brown teeth action in your neck eh funkdoc :russ:


Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
That's because after 80 years and thousands of studies, there are NONE.
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from the CDCs website:
http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/nas.htm

"The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is one of four organizations that comprise the National Academies — the other three are the National Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Medicine, and the National Research Council (NRC). The National Academies perform an unparalleled public service by bringing together committees of experts in all areas of scientific and technological endeavor. These experts serve pro bono to advise the federal government and the general public on scientific and technological issues that affect people's lives worldwide.

There have been several reports and booklets by the NAS and NRC with references to water fluoridation.

The 2006 NRC Report on Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards

In 2006, the NRC stated in this report that in developing regulatory standards for high levels of fluoride in drinking water, three adverse health effects warranted consideration: severe enamel (dental) fluorosis from exposure to these high levels between birth and 8 years of age, risk of bone fractures, and severe forms of skeletal fluorosis (a rare condition in the United States) after lifetime exposure."

this alone should warrant taking it out of the water supply.


Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
Fluoride pills are given to people in areas where there is no fluoride in the water and the fluoride you ingest actually helps keep your bones healthy as well as fighting cavities.
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not all the time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_fluorosis

"Skeletal fluorosis is a bone disease caused by excessive consumption of fluoride. In advanced cases, skeletal fluorosis causes pain and damage to bones and joints."

Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
In order to get a toxic dosage of fluoride from drinking water that is properly fluoridated, you'd have to drink about 10 gallons/day.
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:childplease: link?

and also, what is the toxic detoxification rate over time? how long does it take the body to get rid of fluoride? how much fluoride can one safely accumulate in a week, a month, a year, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, etc? And is it the same for everyone or does it differ for the different physiologies of humans? there are so many factors that affect health over time how could we every isolate to the degree of saying definitively what water fluoridation causes or contributes to?

but let's say hypothetically fluoride accumulation is not a problem... at the very minimum the stuff we put in our water to protect from tooth decay can cause brown stains :scusthov: that alone is reason enough.


Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
It is easier and more cost-effective to put it in the water supply.
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it's an unnecessary cost, thats my point. ANY cost is too much with our severe budget issues. and bottom line is we dont need it.

i wonder what the actual number is.

edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation
"Typically a fluoridated compound is added to drinking water, a process that in the U.S. costs an average of about $0.99 per person-year."

oh, so about $300 MILLION a year... lol definitely not worth it.

Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
This is a list of people who mostly don't practice dentistry and the medical fields are things such as acupuncturist, veterinarians, and optometrists.
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Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
You don't have to drink fluoridated water, nor do you have to allow it in your water supply.
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if i want fluoride out of my water i have to incur the expense of multiple filters, including filters for the pipes leading into my house, which is an even larger expense. on top of that there's no guarantee the filters will get rid of the fluoride completely.
Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
You're wrong. The water is absolutely safe at the EPA recommended fluoridation levels. What isn't is the DOSAGE of fluoride a child may receive due to the amount you can get from other sources outside of water/toothpaste.
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From the CDC website:
Infant Formula and Fluorosis

"The proper amount of fluoride at all stages of life helps prevent and control tooth decay. Recent studies have raised the possibility that mixing infant formula with fluoridated water, particularly for infants exclusively on a formula diet during the first year of life, may play a more important role in dental fluorosis development than was previously understood."

You seem to be hanging onto the optimum levels argument for dear life and that's certainly your choice. but i honestly encourage you to think about the negative implications of accumulation of daily fluoride intake, and what illnesses/pain it could be contributing to.

it's proven that excessive fluoridation intake can damage the body in a multitude of ways, so my question is what makes you think the body is getting rid of/removing all the fluoride/toxins in the body at the rate it needs to in order to neutralize the daily fluoride intake? and that doesnt just go for fluoride it goes for all substances the body deems toxic. why unnecessarily add to the daily toxicity of your body?

you're assuming that all these single servings of fluoride you're getting in your water exist in a vacuum, when we all know they dont. they can and do build on each other, for better and for worse.

bottom line, the pros of water fluoridation arent that great... and there are clear cons in terms of both health and teeth maintenence, in addition to a lot of potential unknowns.
 
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Dude is scared of fluoride in drinking water, but says absolutely NOTHING about the other two dozen chemicals in it.........:deadrose:

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The 1951 NRC Fluoridation Report

NRC first reported on fluoride in drinking water November 29, 1951, and found that fluoridation was safe and effective. It was recommended that any communities with a child population of sufficient size, and that obtained their water from sources free from or low in fluoride, should consider adjusting the concentration to optimum levels for oral health. This report is not available through the NRC at this time, although copies may be found in libraries. A summary and presentation of the findings of the original report was published in the January 1952 edition ofJournal American Water Works Association Vol 44, no. 1, p1–8, January, 1952. National Research Council Fluoridation Report, Kenneth F. Maxcy, J.L.T. Amleton, Basil G. Bibby, H. Trendley Dean, A. McGehee Harvey, Francis F. Heyroth. Journal of Public Health Dentistry, Volume 12, Issue 1, Pages 24–33, 1952 by the American Association of Public Health Dentistry.

The 1977 NRC Report on Drinking Water and Health

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=1780

In this 1977 report, the NRC included ingestion of fluoride in drinking water as part of its evaluation to support the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the effort to comply with the 1974 Safe Drinking Water Act on the scientific basis for the Interim Primary Drinking Water Regulations that were part of the Act. This scientific study specifically considered potential adverse health effects of substances in drinking water. The central effort of the study was an assessment of the long-term biological effects of ingesting the variety of different substances present in trace amounts in drinking water. The volume included an extensive analysis on fluoride intake and concluded that "There is no generally accepted evidence that anyone has been harmed by drinking water with fluoride concentrations considered optimal." Only two adverse health effects were identified including dental fluorosis and skeletal fluorosis "occurring when fluoride is at levels in excess of the concentrations recommended for good oral health." This report can be purchased from the National Academy of Sciences and is identified as Library of Congress Catalog 77–089284 or International Standard Book Number 0-309-02619–9.

The 1993 NRC Report on Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride

http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=030904975X&page=R1

In 1993, the NRC concluded that the EPA maximum contaminant level of 4 mg/L in drinking water was an appropriate standard and was safe for ingestion at levels considered optimal for oral health. The report also identified additional studies to address fluoride intake, dental fluorosis, bone strength, and carcinogenicity.

The 2006 NRC Report on Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11571

In 2006, the NRC stated in this report that in developing regulatory standards for high levels of fluoride in drinking water, three adverse health effects warranted consideration: severe enamel (dental) fluorosis from exposure to these high levels between birth and 8 years of age, risk of bone fractures, and severe forms of skeletal fluorosis (a rare condition in the United States) after lifetime exposure.

The 2007 NRC Report on Earth Materials and Health: Research Priorities for Earth Sciences and Public Health

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11809

In this report, the NRC considered research issues related to the medical geology field on connections between earth science and public health, addressing both positive and negative societal impacts. This report identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving metabolic or biochemical processes. The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects: preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity.

Does CDC consider the opinion of the NRC on fluoride in drinking water in its own recommendation on community water fluoridation?

Yes, CDC considers comprehensive reviews by the NRC and other systematic scientific studies in its recommendation that community water fluoridation is a safe, effective, and inexpensive method to reduce tooth decay among populations with access to community water systems. Water fluoridation should be continued in communities currently fluoridating and extended to those without fluoridation.
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NOT A SINGLE REPORT FROM ANY SCIENTIFICALLY PEER-REVIEWED SOURCE IDENTIFIES ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS FROM PROPERLY FLUORIDATED WATER. ONLY HIGH DOSAGES ABOVE THE EPA MAXIMUM CAUSE PROBLEMS.

:ufdup: and your fear of fluoride poisoning from properly fluoridated drinking water is unjustified.​
 
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