Should Pac get credit for bringin the NY back?

[HARLEM AL]

Mc New York should get credit for bringing ny back?

 

[vaudevillevillain]

Lol @ the honest opinion of illmatic. I agree to some extent that it's overhyped just a bit. but 1/10? hilarious.

i give illmatic 7.5 at least. Stillmatic on the other hand gets like a 9/10 & i think it's his best album to date. That shyt was better than The Blueprint brehs, and i'm a proud camel jockey

 

[AMcV'88]

i thought DMX was going to be mentioned in the first post

 

[Tuling]

I mean sure they might have been biting but no Pac album besides his Greatest Hits stack up to Big's body of work or Illmatic/IWW so nah

 

[Still Benefited]

Dmx ja and 50u all based on the pac blueprint....and pacs death getting biggie shot also opened the door for a more suitable king in jayz

 

[Nomad1]

biggie n nas aint copy this from pac

"i'll suck on your daddies dikk" Pac and nas def didn't replicate biggie bars

It's safe to say biggie birthed young thug

 

[TheSickness]

Mc New York should get credit for bringing ny back?

/thread
This nikka deserves an award

 

[Bugsmoran]

Overall I give illmatic 1/10 while IWW gets a 8/10.

 

[Barnett114]

This thread

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I have a thread that you can put forth your argument in... its gone 40+ pages with not a single person offering an example of lyricism on illmatic

 

[Thegospel]

I honestly think it is a terrible album that was hyped up by an east coast based media. I think it is basically a collection of incoherent bars that would be what Jay would call "putting words together just to match." I think it gets credit for changing shyt that it didnt change. Compared to shyt I was listening to in '94 naS flow isnt impressive at all (look at Treach). The album was a tremendous flop, no one bought it and no one cared apparently outside of Queensbridge or at least NY. I thought the album showed extremely poor command of the english language, basically what you would expect from a kid with no formal education past 6th grade. The hooks were just awful, plain awful (listen to Lifes a bytch). The beats were bland at best I dont care whose name is on them. A lot of the bars are just outright corny. You know, the ones I quote when people claim duke is some sort of lyricist. And there's much more than the one's I quote. I would say the majority of the album is like that. There was maybe only one segment of bars that I liked, something about seein his nikkaz silhouette in his blunt smoke.

Now IWW on the other hand is a VAST improvement. Though he still had some awful lines like the nacho cheese one, at least the shyt was generally coherent. The Trackmasters laced him, and getting actual good musicians on some hooks proved to be monumental. See, it wasnt that illmatic changed ANYTHING. When you look at how naS went from illmatic to IWW its clear that it was naS that had to change to become viable. Albums didnt start sounding like illmatic after '94, naS started sounding like other nikkaz and by that I mean lines that make sense in the context of the song and that go together and making decent hooks.

Overall I give illmatic 1/10 while IWW gets a 8/10. If I was trolling why would I give the nikka credit for IWW? To me the only reason people pretend to like illmatic is because a magazine told them to and the hip hop community has been brainwashed to act as such.

Damn lol. All truth though

 

[Bugsmoran]

I have a thread that you can put forth your argument in... its gone 40+ pages with not a single person offering an example of lyricism on illmatic

Give me sum lines from IWW that will crush everything on Illmatic

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Give me sum lines from IWW that will crush everything on Illmatic

There is nothing like that on IWW. naS is not a lyricist. But his song writing is soooo much better on IWW its like night and day.



he's expressing full ideas in IWW... illmatic was a word salad.

 

[Bugsmoran]

naS is not a lyricist.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

This is where you show me this profound lyricism...