Rapper Lupe Fiasco Breaks Down The History Behind The Authentic Slave Trade Currency He Purchased

[Guvnor]

This is where you lose credibility.


- please list location/racial category of most of those Black slave owners? Cause they were mulattos - not Black and more studies that have been release have shown they were really white - and listed as "mulatto" -which most labeled as "black slave owners -- and not the truth.

- please list if these slave owners were owning their family members -- as most of them did -- hence making them "slave owners."


Please list sources.

I can - but I get so tired of educating folks who don't take the time to research before stating damaging and false ish.

Yep, when you look at the c00ning creoles they were mulattos. Let's make him do the work though and back up this bullshyt.

I'll wait

This is pretty fukked up. So, the tribes took the bracelets (based on weight) for our Ancestors?

As a spiritual person - I don't think I would want the "money" in my home -- I can only imagine the pain and energy attached to them.

Good point but at the same time it could be looked at as him releasing that pain from the ancestors. Taking the power out the bracelets and repurposing them. Like buying them back them to free our ancestors and healing the pain but it could be playing with fire too because the ancestors might not look at it like that.

 

[Everythingg]

Do you know the first slave trade had "Indians" going to Africa and Europe where you only see blacks and cacs?

Source?

What I do know is:

Native American slavery actually began almost 200 years before the transatlantic trade -- and it was outlawed around 1680.

If you know about the Indian slave trade than why would I need to source you about where they went?

 

[Guvnor]

If you know about the Indian slave trade than why would I need to source you about where they went?

Because you could say anything, you have to have a source to substantiate what you are saying or else it is null and void. Now please produce a source She quoted you.

 

[xoxodede]

No those aren't facts those are narratives. The actual facts show that there were a lot of blacks already here when the Europeans came. Then the Indian slave trade happened. Then Indians were reclassified to negros. Then the so called Atlantic slave trade happened. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out that alot if not the majority of black people were here and not taken from Africa. Why not address those facts?




Yes because black people had slaves too.

Only in Virginia honey...

1682: Virginia "Act I. It is enacted that all servants [...] which shall be imported into this country...whether Negroes, Moors, mulattoes or Indians who and whose parentage and native countries are not Christian at the time of their first purchase by some Christian [...] are hereby adjudged, deemed and taken to be slaves to all intents and purposes."

-- see keywords: Imported -- the practice was outlawed for Natives

Virginia passed two acts in 1682 that combined Native Americans and Africans into one category as “negroes and other slaves.”

-- see keywords: other slaves - hence Native or "Indians" - which Indians were aka "Caribs" Caribbean's they IMPORTED - not Native Americans.

The Knotted Line: 1682: Christian Parentage (Virginia Slave Act)

I do agree that SOME black people where here before the TransAtlantic trade but they were label "Caribs" and labeled "Indians" -- there Black not Native American -- they were from Caribbean.

The first group of Indian servants mentioned in the Virginia records—a group of Caribs imported from the Caribbean—were ordered “hanged till they be dead” after they allegedly attempted to kill several AngloVirginians and then fled to the local tribes.40 Unsurprisingly, the court thereafter required bond that Indians would not run away.41

 

[Everythingg]

This is where you lose credibility.


- please list location/racial category of most of those Black slave owners? Cause they were mulattos - not Black and more studies that have been release have shown they were really white - and listed as "mulatto" -which most labeled as "black slave owners -- and not the truth.

- please list if these slave owners were owning their family members -- as most of them did -- hence making them "slave owners."


Please list sources.

I can - but I get so tired of educating folks who don't take the time to research before stating damaging and false ish.

Ummm look up William Ellison then come back and explain to us how no black people owned slaves...

 

[xoxodede]

If you know about the Indian slave trade than why would I need to source you about where they went?

I'm quoting you I just pulled out the sentence.

 

[Everythingg]

So why are very few blacks actually related to native Americans when you do the research and the DNA? Also show me the facts dawg, show me the sources. You could say or regurgitate anything but I want the facts.

Native Americans /= indigenous Americans

The ones you're calling natives are from Asia not america and that's why blacks, who are the indigenous people of America, are not related to them. And facts would include early depictions of the people in question right?

*thinks to self*Jesus Christ! I call on the strength the ancestors....give me strength. Give me the ashe to wake this dude up cause he lost in the moorish spanish sauce. I bet you he believes he could spit that moorish shyt and beat a court case and he doesn't have to pay his taxes.

You should blame yourself for being ignorant of history and even worse, your own history

It ain't my fault

 

[Guvnor]

Ummm look up William Ellison then come back and explain to us how no black people owned slaves...

He owned slave but situations where freed men owned slaves was very few and far between. However what you are speaking on here is a smoke bomb. I mentioned native americans and not freed men who we knew were slaves with African ancestry and brought here by the slave trade. Among Native Americans however, more of them owned slaves in an attempt to integrate into white society. Some of them mixed with us but where is the proof that we were here before the slave trade.

 

[Guvnor]

Native Americans /= indigenous Americans

The ones you're calling natives are from Asia not america and that's why blacks, who are the indigenous people of America, are not related to them. And facts would include early depictions of the people in question right?

They came down from Asia and settled here on this land first so they are Native Americans until you are able to prove otherwise. Columbus met them here.

You should blame yourself for being ignorant of history and even worse, your own history

It ain't my fault

So what's your ethnicity? What's your nationality?

 

[Everythingg]

Only in Virginia honey...

1682: Virginia "Act I. It is enacted that all servants [...] which shall be imported into this country...whether Negroes, Moors, mulattoes or Indians who and whose parentage and native countries are not Christian at the time of their first purchase by some Christian [...] are hereby adjudged, deemed and taken to be slaves to all intents and purposes."

-- see keywords: Imported -- they practice was outlawed for Natives

Virginia passed two acts in 1682 that combined Native Americans and Africans into one category as “negroes and other slaves.”

-- see keywords: other slaves - hence Native

The Knotted Line: 1682: Christian Parentage (Virginia Slave Act)

I do agree that SOME black people where here before the TransAtlantic trade but they were label "Caribs" and labeled "Indians" -- there Black not Native American -- they were from Caribbean.

The first group of Indian servants mentioned in the Virginia records—a group of Caribs imported from the Caribbean—were ordered “hanged till they be dead” after they allegedly attempted to kill several AngloVirginians and then fled to the local tribes.40 Unsurprisingly, the court thereafter required bond that Indians would not run away.41

Nice. You can Google something you had no knowledge of before I presented it. Try googling this

Professor Constantine Rafinesque: The Primitive BLACK Nations of America(1832)

"The Native American Negroes or black Indians have been seen in Brazil, Guyana, Caraccas, Popayan, Choco, North California and etc:

The Aroras or Caroras of Cumana, were black, but with fine features and long hair, like the Jolofs and Gallas of Africa.

The Esteros latitude 32, are like the Hottentots and the Numuquas, Tambukis, and many other Nigritian tribes, not black, but dark brown, yet complete Negroes, with large thick lips, broad flat noses, and very ugly, with hair crisped or curly. All these tribes live in New California The Aroras or Caroras of Cumana, were black, but with fine features and long hair, like the Jolofs and Gallas of Africa.

The Esteros latitude 32, are like the Hottentots and the Numuquas, Tambukis, and many other Nigritian tribes, not black, but dark brown, yet complete Negroes, with large thick lips, broad flat noses, and very ugly, with hair crisped or curly. All these tribes live in New California

The American Negroes of Quarenqua, in Choco, (the great level plain 900 miles long, 90 wide, separating the Andes of South America from the mountains of Panama,) were black and with woolly heads in 1506. They are mentioned by Dangleria, and all the early accurate writers

 

[xoxodede]

Ummm look up William Ellison then come back and explain to us how no black people owned slaves...

I have


He was Mulatto -- not Black

BLACK not = MULATTO

William Ellison:

On June 8, 1816, at the age of 26, April was freed by his master William Ellison (likely his father, as April took his name as a free man). April appeared to have purchased his freedom by money saved from a portion of his earnings.

The free Mulatto and black communities were seperate. 137 of 149 Mulatto men had a Mulatto spouse and 43 of 52 black men had a black spouse. Free Mulatto men had a mean wealth of $1,107 and black men's mean wealth was $770. Free Mulatto women's mean wealth was triple that of free black women at $427. 9 out of 10 male Mulattoes had Mulatto spouses and 8 out of 10 black males had black spouses.

In S. Carolina interracial marriages were legal. In 1860 1/1000 [which was 71] families were interracial couples of which 44 were headed by negro men [42 of them being Mulattoes] with white wives and there were 17 headed by white men with negro wives [15 of whom were Mulattoes]. Mulattoes held more wealth in the free negro community because whites preferred to deal with them in S. Carolina. Other advantages for the free Mulattoes were that they could have white parents who provided them with wealth and land. In 1860 only 2 of the 29 [they owned 41% of the wealth of the free negro population] richest free negroes were black. However, most free negroes were poor. For 94% of the population the mean wealth was only $270 [and around this time yearly wage for whites was about $400+].

In 1822 there was a law where free negroes needed guardians to police them, but William did not get a guardian until 1828. He chose Dr. Anderson as his guardian so that his interests could be protected and so that he could come to William's defense.

Ellison's 3 sons were not born into slavery & married Mulatto women whose fathers were members of the Brown Fellowship Society. William Jr. married Mary Thomson Mishaw whose father John Mishaw was a free Mulatto shoemaker. "Between 1845 and 1852 William Jr. and Mary Thomson had five children." [Johnson, 1984, p. 110] Henry married Mary Elizabeth Bonneau and Reuben married her sister Harriett Ann Bonneau and their father was Thomas S. Bonneau, a free Mulatto schoolmaster and community leader. "Among the best-known schools in Charleston were those operated by the Brown Fellowship Society and by Thomas Bonneau, both of which attracted students primarily 'from the upper echelons of free black society.'" [Gatewood, 1990, p. 259] This was obviously a blending with other aristocratic Mulatto families. Williams' sons owned slaves themselves who were house servants.

 

[Everythingg]

I'm quoting you I just pulled out the sentence.

Or you're doing the female way of arguing just to argue

You just said the Indian slave trade began 200 years before the Atlantic but you need sources as to where the Indians were taken lol. I know better than to debate logic with..... ;)

 

[xoxodede]

Nice. You can Google something you had no knowledge of before I presented it. Try googling this

As you can. But, your post doesn't answer what I asked.

1832 though? You are presenting something that happened before the TransAtlantic Trade correct? So, anything during the 1600's?

 

[xoxodede]

Or you're doing the female way of arguing just to argue

You just said the Indian slave trade began 200 years before the Atlantic but you need sources as to where the Indians were taken lol. I know better than to debate logic with..... ;)

I don't argue - I debate - with facts and resources.

 

[Everythingg]

He owned slave but situations where freed men owned slaves was very few and far between. However what you are speaking on here is a smoke bomb. I mentioned native americans and not freed men who we knew were slaves with African ancestry and brought here by the slave trade. Among Native Americans however, more of them owned slaves in an attempt to integrate into white society. Some of them mixed with us but where is the proof that we were here before the slave trade.

Yes the goalposts move when proven wrong. You laughed at the idea of blacks owning slaves then when shown, you move the goalposts.

Anyways, there is a difference between native Americans and indigenous Americans. And I mean by definition there is a difference. But I'll ask you again, are early depictions proof of who cacs met when they came here? And I mean early depictions drawn by cacs...