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How about compare mad success to your own?
Success is relative breh
everyone has different interests and motivations
No troll... Why do you think Jay has had so much more business success than Nas?
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Success is relative breh
everyone has different interests and motivations
steadyrighteous
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Hold up
Aren't therapists supposed to keep the things their clients say to them secret. You sure are being reckless with the thoughts and feelings of these gentlemen, sir. You should be stripped of your license.
How in the hell can somebody even begin to ponder on the "personal goals" of individuals they don't know. Besides the women they wake up to and the mirror they look at when they're brushing their teeth in the morning, nobody knows what their "personal goals" are. No matter what they've said on records or in a XXL interview.
This troll thread annoyed me at first, but "personal goals" has made it worth it lol
This topic is as undeterminable as "would Tyson or Ali" win.Hold up
Aren't therapists supposed to keep the things their clients say to them secret. You sure are being reckless with the thoughts and feelings of these gentlemen, sir. You should be stripped of your license.
How in the hell can somebody even begin to ponder on the "personal goals" of individuals they don't know. Besides the women they wake up to and the mirror they look at when they're brushing their teeth in the morning, nobody knows what their "personal goals" are. No matter what they've said on records or in a XXL interview.
This troll thread annoyed me at first, but "personal goals" has made it worth it lol
We'd never know. My point is, nikkas have every right to discuss.
And I haven't seen anybody claim they know this nikkas personal goals.
This is a forum...We speculate. Or is that against some rule book?
And forgive me if this thread has been made already.
But I was listening to Blueprint today and thinking when it's all said and done Jay will probably be my most respected rapper ever. Not my favorite rapper or who I consider the best rapper, but my most respected rapper ever. Mostly for how he handles business outside of hip hop and his character.
Dude is an entrepreneur and hustler of the highest order. The different economic ventures he's into and the success he's achieved is really unparalleled in the rap game.
Plus you never hear dude in the media sh*tting on people heavy. Don't get me wrong, he will sneak diss the sh*t out of you and he might stab you, but you never see him acting like a b*tch on social media or getting in nasty public beefs. All dirt gets handled behind closed doors. Even when he caught a 20-piece in the elevator you never heard a peep, and I can respect that.
And he bagged the illest female in music period--wifey wise, music wise and business wise. Gotta respect that
Which brings me to the thread... I started wondering why Jay's experienced so much more success outside of hip hop than other rappers... especially Nas because I consider Nas the better emcee (because he deals with better content). But outside of hip hop Nas's success is low compared to Jay. Even emcees who had more commercial success have not had as much business success as Jay.
Summary: So honest question, what's your opinion on why Jay has had so much more business success than other hip hop artists?
Nas was a lyrical prodigy at 17 years of age, when he recorded Live at the BBQ.
Nas has always been about the words on the paper, moreso than getting paper from words.
100 years from now Nas will be regarded as the Shakespeare of Rap.
While Jay Z will be the John D. Rockefeller of Rap, like Rockerfella who monopolized the the petroleum game with Standard Oil, Jay Z did the same with Hip-Hop via Roc-Nation, etc.
So it's just a matter of preference. Me, personally, I feel Nas is the more talented lyricist who peaked much earlier in life than Hov - but that's my opinion.
Both emcees have sparked enough thought-molecules to inspire future generations.
steadyrighteous
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This topic is as undeterminable as "would Tyson or Ali" win.
We'd never know. My point is, nikkas have every right to discuss.
And I haven't seen anybody claim they know this nikkas personal goals.
This is a forum...We speculate. Or is that against some rule book?
I would venture to say that this topic is infinitely more indeterminable than a Tyson vs. Ali debate would be.
Granted, Ali and Tyson fought in different eras, but when they squared up to their opponents in the ring, they were ultimately fighting under the same rules with the same aim in mind - win a boxing match. Sports science through the use of cameras and computers can analyze stance, power, stamina etc. based on tape and tell a lot about the individuals that are the focus of the study. You couldn't prove without a doubt who would win, but you can certainly have a very reasonable and well researched case as to why one might win and the other would lose.
In the case of business, and Jay-Z's acumen vs. Nas', it is, as I said earlier, infinitely more indeterminable, because unless they invest the same amount at the same time, in the same things (so to bring back the Ali vs. Tyson metaphor, playing the same sport), there is no way that asking "Why do you think Jay has had more business success than Nas?" is a reasonable question.
Two businessmen with investments in different fields (Tidal vs. Bevel is an example) can't and shouldn't be compared. It's a fools errand.
TL;DR - You have every right to speculate, carry on lol
Jimmy Two-Times™
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IllmaticDelta
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yup..like I said
this hiphop business/mogul shyt only really took off in the late 90s and isn't associated/tied to any other musical genre
"You gotta realize that all rappers complain about their careers, but you ain't heard Nas complain about his career [laughs]. You don't get here just fu***** around. If Snoop Dogg makes a Snoop hot-dog then Nas gotta make one? If I decide I want to do movies or clothes I'll do them. None of this s*** is rocket science."
Nas in 06
Nas in 06
Ms. Elaine
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He doesn't. Jay is failing. He's just good at self promo.
ID fancy Jayz, but Jay-Z played the game better with the elite and is a phenomenal hustler. Nas, from my point of ref. was always like a I-wanna-go-the-tupac-route-but-have-no-heart type. Its like he always tried to paint himself as bigger than he was but when you put dude' under the microscope-- he either fell through or was something of a hypocrite. He just ended up making noise and taking L's, to me.
AldavisAlbundyAllah!
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Dame dash & the people dame brought together.
jigga was still spending money from '88 when he got in the game.
Urbanmiracle
Brooklyn the planet...
Everyone has different goals for their careers and lives. Not everyone has to be Jay-z. We need to get this narrative out the way. Just like wise everyone does not have to be Nas. It happens
Jimmy Two-Times™
Coli Mods Catch Me If U Can Forgive Me Imma Ridah™
I remember an interview from Nas maybe by MTV I think where he was sitting in a car and he got a call from his agent about doing commercials and endorsing products to capitalise on his fame and Nas responded that doing business other than music made you a sucker and a sellout. Nas never became a music mogul like his peers and watched them pass him by. Even though he won the battle he didn't win the war as he signed to the empire Jay-Z had made a place for him wanting to be at Def Jam. A real sucker move on his part, first time Nas was slippin imo. Fast forward 15 years and...
I do rate Nas on his recent business successes, but his stupid ideal of "selling out" made him miss the opportunities that other rappers/artists didn't take for granted like 2Pac, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, Dr. Dre, Birdbrain, Master P, Puffy etc. Nas had a 5-10 year start on his peers and didn't put no one on, become a mogul or make major investments until now.
