My First Ever Visit to NYC.......
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Pooping on your head :umad:
The WTC site and Times Square is only like 3 miles apart, I walked between the two areas quite a few times.
The entire length of Manhattan is like 10 miles lol.
As for white people being a block over from QB... that's common all thought NYC. The funniest one is Seagate, a gated community of mostly white people that's in the middle of the hood
97th street on the east side of Manhattan is another example.
The entire length of Manhattan is like 10 miles lol.
As for white people being a block over from QB... that's common all thought NYC. The funniest one is Seagate, a gated community of mostly white people that's in the middle of the hood
97th street on the east side of Manhattan is another example.
OP, you got a lot done in one visit.
circa 2006
New York City Losing Blacks, Census Shows
Published: April 3, 2006
Mary Haggerty for The New York Times
Jacqueline Dowdell, in Carrboro, N.C. She left Manhattan last year. "It was a difficult decision," she said.
Multimedia
Graphic: Where New York City Residents Moved
Jane Therese for The New York Times
After Christine Wiggins retired as an assistant bank manager in Queens, she moved to the Poconos.
Mary Haggerty for The New York Times
The slow pace in Littleton, N.C., attracted Gladys Favours from Brooklyn. "I think I was ready for the quietness," she said.
Correction Appended
An accelerating exodus of American-born blacks, coupled with slight declines in birthrates and a slowing influx of Caribbean and African immigrants, have produced a decline in New York City's black population for the first time since the draft riots during the Civil War, according to preliminary census estimates.
An analysis of the latest figures, which show the city with 30,000 fewer black residents in 2004 than in 2000, also revealed stark contrasts in the migration patterns of blacks and whites.
While white New Yorkers are still more likely than blacks to leave the city, they are also more likely to relocate to the nearby suburbs (which is where half the whites move) or elsewhere in the Northeast, or to scatter to other cities and retirement communities across the country. Moreover, New York remains a magnet for whites from most other states.
In contrast, 7 in 10 black people who are moving leave the region altogether. And, unlike black migrants from Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit, most of them go to the South, especially to Florida, the Carolinas and Georgia. The rest move to states like California, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan with large black populations.
Also, New York has a net loss of blacks to all but five states, and those net gains are minuscule.
"This suggests that the black movement out of New York City is much more of an evacuation than the movement for whites," said William Frey, a demographer for the Brookings Institution, who analyzed migration patterns for The New York Times.
The implications for a city of 8.2 million people could be profound. If the trend continues, not only will the black share of New York's population, which dipped below 25 percent in 2000, continue to decline, particularly if the overall population grows, but a higher proportion of black New Yorkers will be foreign-born or the children of immigrants.
Many blacks are leaving for economic reasons. Jacqueline Dowdell moved to North Carolina last year from Hamilton Heights in Upper Manhattan in search of a lower cost of living. Once an editor at the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem, she now works as a communications coordinator for a health care company in Chapel Hill.
"It was a difficult decision, but it was a financial decision," said Ms. Dowdell, 39, adding that the move also gave her time to research her family's roots in Virginia.
"I just continued to spend so much money trying to live without thinking about the future," she said. "I was focused on surviving, and I wanted to make a commitment to more quality of life."
The analysis of migration from 1995 to 2000 also suggests that many blacks, already struggling with high housing costs in New York City, are being priced out of nearby suburbs, too.
Among black married couples with children, only about one in three who left the city moved to nearby suburbs, compared with two in three white married couples with children. More black married couples with children moved to the South than to the suburbs.
Over all, more black residents who left New York City moved to Florida than to New Jersey.
But black residents who left the city were more likely to remain in the region if they had higher incomes and were college educated. And while black migrants to the South include some aspiring professionals, a larger share were lower income, less educated and elderly.
"All this suggests that New York City out-migration of blacks is unique in its scope — net losses to most states — and pattern — especially destined to the South," Dr. Frey said.
Reversing a tide from the South who altered the complexion of the city earlier in the 20th century, the number of American-born blacks leaving the city has exceeded the number arriving since at least the late 1970's.
"You have older people who leave the North just to go back to a place that is kind of slower, or where they grew up or went on vacation when they were younger — and when you retire, your money doesn't go very far in New York," said Sylviane A. Diouf, a historian and researcher at the Schomburg Center and co-author of a study of black migration. "You also have young college-educated people who find that the South has lots of economic potential and a lower cost of living."
The slower pace appealed to Gladys Favours, who worked for a city councilwoman from Brooklyn and moved from East New York seven years ago to a town of fewer than 1,000 people near Charlotte, N.C, after she was unable to find another job.
"I lived in New York for almost 50 years and loved what it offered in schools, entertainment and convenience, but I lost my job and finding one at my age would pay half of what I was making," she said. "I was divorced and moved here with my 11-year-old — I was afraid of the crime, and black boys don't fare too well in New York."
Her son is now in college and she is working for the county emergency services department.
"I'm 60 now," she said. "I think I was ready for the quietness."
While residential segregation persists, racial and ethnic minorities, including immigrants, have become more mobile, with lower-skilled workers lured to growing cities in the South and West for construction, retail and service jobs and professionals applying for the same opportunities that had been previously open mainly to whites.
"Some foreign-born blacks are moving out, too — to the suburbs as well as to other parts of the country, particularly South Florida," said Nancy Foner, a distinguished professor of sociology at Hunter College.
Andrew Hacker, a political scientist at Queens College, cited other factors. "After 15 or 20 years with, say the Postal Service or U.P.S., employees can put in for transfers to other parts of the country," he said. "As a result, more than a few middle-class black New Yorkers have been moving back to states like North Carolina and Georgia, where they have family ties, living costs are lower, neighborhoods are safer, schools are often better and life is less hectic."
In 1997, Christine Wiggins retired as an assistant bank manager after 25 years. She left Queens Village and followed her brother, who worked for New York City Transit, to the Poconos.
"It was hard for him, he had to commute," she said. "But we wanted to get away from the city."
The East Stroudsburg, Pa., area, where radio advertisements lured first-time homebuyers, was among the 15 top destinations for black residents leaving New York City. More black New Yorkers moved to Monroe County in the Poconos than to either the Rockland or Orange County suburbs of New York.
Over all, the city's black population grew by 115,000 in the 1990's, a 6.2 percent increase. (New Yorkers in the armed forces or who are institutionalized are not counted as residents.)
Those early estimates of the 30,000 drop in black population since 2000, a 1.5 percent decline, suggest that among blacks, the arrival of newcomers from abroad and higher birthrates among immigrants were not keeping pace with the outflow.
Last year, a study by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group, found that while the gush of immigrants continued into the 21st century, it appeared to have slowed somewhat.
A net loss of black residents, even between censuses, would apparently be the first since the Civil War. In 1863, after mobs attacked blacks during the draft riots, many fled New York City. "By 1865," Leslie M. Harris wrote in "In the Shadow of Slavery," the city's "black population had plummeted to just under 10,000, its lowest since 1820."
Correction: April 6, 2006 A front-page article on Monday about census figures showing the first decline in New York City's black population since the Civil War misstated the proximity of Littleton, N.C., the new home of one black migrant, to Charlotte. Littleton is about 200 miles from Charlotte, not nearby.
circa 2006
New York City Losing Blacks, Census Shows
Published: April 3, 2006
Mary Haggerty for The New York Times
Jacqueline Dowdell, in Carrboro, N.C. She left Manhattan last year. "It was a difficult decision," she said.
Multimedia
Graphic: Where New York City Residents Moved
Jane Therese for The New York Times
After Christine Wiggins retired as an assistant bank manager in Queens, she moved to the Poconos.
Mary Haggerty for The New York Times
The slow pace in Littleton, N.C., attracted Gladys Favours from Brooklyn. "I think I was ready for the quietness," she said.
Correction Appended
An accelerating exodus of American-born blacks, coupled with slight declines in birthrates and a slowing influx of Caribbean and African immigrants, have produced a decline in New York City's black population for the first time since the draft riots during the Civil War, according to preliminary census estimates.
An analysis of the latest figures, which show the city with 30,000 fewer black residents in 2004 than in 2000, also revealed stark contrasts in the migration patterns of blacks and whites.
While white New Yorkers are still more likely than blacks to leave the city, they are also more likely to relocate to the nearby suburbs (which is where half the whites move) or elsewhere in the Northeast, or to scatter to other cities and retirement communities across the country. Moreover, New York remains a magnet for whites from most other states.
In contrast, 7 in 10 black people who are moving leave the region altogether. And, unlike black migrants from Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit, most of them go to the South, especially to Florida, the Carolinas and Georgia. The rest move to states like California, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan with large black populations.
Also, New York has a net loss of blacks to all but five states, and those net gains are minuscule.
"This suggests that the black movement out of New York City is much more of an evacuation than the movement for whites," said William Frey, a demographer for the Brookings Institution, who analyzed migration patterns for The New York Times.
The implications for a city of 8.2 million people could be profound. If the trend continues, not only will the black share of New York's population, which dipped below 25 percent in 2000, continue to decline, particularly if the overall population grows, but a higher proportion of black New Yorkers will be foreign-born or the children of immigrants.
Many blacks are leaving for economic reasons. Jacqueline Dowdell moved to North Carolina last year from Hamilton Heights in Upper Manhattan in search of a lower cost of living. Once an editor at the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem, she now works as a communications coordinator for a health care company in Chapel Hill.
"It was a difficult decision, but it was a financial decision," said Ms. Dowdell, 39, adding that the move also gave her time to research her family's roots in Virginia.
"I just continued to spend so much money trying to live without thinking about the future," she said. "I was focused on surviving, and I wanted to make a commitment to more quality of life."
The analysis of migration from 1995 to 2000 also suggests that many blacks, already struggling with high housing costs in New York City, are being priced out of nearby suburbs, too.
Among black married couples with children, only about one in three who left the city moved to nearby suburbs, compared with two in three white married couples with children. More black married couples with children moved to the South than to the suburbs.
Over all, more black residents who left New York City moved to Florida than to New Jersey.
But black residents who left the city were more likely to remain in the region if they had higher incomes and were college educated. And while black migrants to the South include some aspiring professionals, a larger share were lower income, less educated and elderly.
"All this suggests that New York City out-migration of blacks is unique in its scope — net losses to most states — and pattern — especially destined to the South," Dr. Frey said.
Reversing a tide from the South who altered the complexion of the city earlier in the 20th century, the number of American-born blacks leaving the city has exceeded the number arriving since at least the late 1970's.
"You have older people who leave the North just to go back to a place that is kind of slower, or where they grew up or went on vacation when they were younger — and when you retire, your money doesn't go very far in New York," said Sylviane A. Diouf, a historian and researcher at the Schomburg Center and co-author of a study of black migration. "You also have young college-educated people who find that the South has lots of economic potential and a lower cost of living."
The slower pace appealed to Gladys Favours, who worked for a city councilwoman from Brooklyn and moved from East New York seven years ago to a town of fewer than 1,000 people near Charlotte, N.C, after she was unable to find another job.
"I lived in New York for almost 50 years and loved what it offered in schools, entertainment and convenience, but I lost my job and finding one at my age would pay half of what I was making," she said. "I was divorced and moved here with my 11-year-old — I was afraid of the crime, and black boys don't fare too well in New York."
Her son is now in college and she is working for the county emergency services department.
"I'm 60 now," she said. "I think I was ready for the quietness."
While residential segregation persists, racial and ethnic minorities, including immigrants, have become more mobile, with lower-skilled workers lured to growing cities in the South and West for construction, retail and service jobs and professionals applying for the same opportunities that had been previously open mainly to whites.
"Some foreign-born blacks are moving out, too — to the suburbs as well as to other parts of the country, particularly South Florida," said Nancy Foner, a distinguished professor of sociology at Hunter College.
Andrew Hacker, a political scientist at Queens College, cited other factors. "After 15 or 20 years with, say the Postal Service or U.P.S., employees can put in for transfers to other parts of the country," he said. "As a result, more than a few middle-class black New Yorkers have been moving back to states like North Carolina and Georgia, where they have family ties, living costs are lower, neighborhoods are safer, schools are often better and life is less hectic."
In 1997, Christine Wiggins retired as an assistant bank manager after 25 years. She left Queens Village and followed her brother, who worked for New York City Transit, to the Poconos.
"It was hard for him, he had to commute," she said. "But we wanted to get away from the city."
The East Stroudsburg, Pa., area, where radio advertisements lured first-time homebuyers, was among the 15 top destinations for black residents leaving New York City. More black New Yorkers moved to Monroe County in the Poconos than to either the Rockland or Orange County suburbs of New York.
Over all, the city's black population grew by 115,000 in the 1990's, a 6.2 percent increase. (New Yorkers in the armed forces or who are institutionalized are not counted as residents.)
Those early estimates of the 30,000 drop in black population since 2000, a 1.5 percent decline, suggest that among blacks, the arrival of newcomers from abroad and higher birthrates among immigrants were not keeping pace with the outflow.
Last year, a study by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group, found that while the gush of immigrants continued into the 21st century, it appeared to have slowed somewhat.
A net loss of black residents, even between censuses, would apparently be the first since the Civil War. In 1863, after mobs attacked blacks during the draft riots, many fled New York City. "By 1865," Leslie M. Harris wrote in "In the Shadow of Slavery," the city's "black population had plummeted to just under 10,000, its lowest since 1820."
Correction: April 6, 2006 A front-page article on Monday about census figures showing the first decline in New York City's black population since the Civil War misstated the proximity of Littleton, N.C., the new home of one black migrant, to Charlotte. Littleton is about 200 miles from Charlotte, not nearby.
Going to Brooklyn next weekend for the Jay-Z concert then gonna check out the rest of NY and see what that pizza bout.
Go to the Fulton Mall with a "fukk Biggie" t-shirt
QB
Ground Zero
Ground Zero
That Hotel from Coming to America lol
Nas billboard in Times Square, i think on W..42nd
some train station
MSG
Nas billboard in Times Square, i think on W..42nd
some train station
MSG
got there Friday night, left Tuesday afternoon
Grizzly
Home Run Hitter
I say Newark is stuck in the 90s myself so I can't disagree with that but there's a lot to do out there. You just need to go with an itinerary.I meant generally speaking, I flew to Newark, and spent a good 2-3 hours there, and it has some spots that feel like Oakland CA in the 1980s
SamuraiFlamenco
Banned
The taxi drivers don't like black customers for the same reason waitresses don't, they think nikkas don't tip. I didn't even know you had to tip a taxi driver but it's a thing.
The WTC site and Times Square is only like 3 miles apart, I walked between the two areas quite a few times.
The entire length of Manhattan is like 10 miles lol.
As for white people being a block over from QB... that's common all thought NYC. The funniest one is Seagate, a gated community of mostly white people that's in the middle of the hood
97th street on the east side of Manhattan is another example.
ehhh, it felt much longer... maybe cuz i thought WTC was in Times Square
Desirous
Action expresses priorities
I leave NYC in the morning 
my fave city...love coming here. Harlem is awesome - that's where I've been staying...Times Square is only 20 mins on the A express or D trains. I think people are friendly as hell here - I always meet new people when I come - New Yorkers just start talking to you randomly.
my fave city...love coming here. Harlem is awesome - that's where I've been staying...Times Square is only 20 mins on the A express or D trains. I think people are friendly as hell here - I always meet new people when I come - New Yorkers just start talking to you randomly.
Chesirecatdaddy
All Star
daps to you, but a lot of your observations r way off.. str8 tourist shyt. no dissi went there with a typical anti-east coast, california kinda vibe.. but i kinda dig the city.
random thoughts
-The train system is amazing.
-there is absolutely no where to park in Manhattan
-I couldnt catch a cab for shyt... racist ass Arabs..
-everyone is rude as hell (except the Spanish folks for some reason)
-what in the world is a Sicilian? god damn them hoes was fine.
-I was disappointed that nobody I spoke to said "Son" God" or "Peace God"
-Times Square is annoying.
-Queensbridge is hood as fukk, but the street over is a lotta of white people, which was weird.
-Do or Die Bed Stye no longer exists, its now Rent or Buy...... all that stuff Biggie rapped about no longer exists...
-didnt realize Marcy and where Biggie grew up is less than 1 mile.
-Queens (by the JFK airport) is the only place i seen with houses.
-Manhattan clubs are wack as fukk... just a bunch of drugged up skinny hoes..phony Hollywood vibe.
-Meatpacking District was even worse.
-Brooklyn had the best clubs and the finest women.
-First time in my life seeing Puerto Rican and Dominican Women
-Harlem was crackin, walked down whatever street that had the Apollo...
-spoke to a dude who owned the Italian Pizza joint who told me stories about the 1980s and early 90s in Harlem and how much its changed.
-Newark is a piece of shyt.
-South Jamaica Queens look like a middle class neighborhood.
-I had no idea Ground Zero and Times Square were in two different areas of Manhattan (seemed like about 10 miles)
-went to Ground Zero, shyt was surreal.
Overrall, i was impressed, i like the city... but i kinda see why NYC Hip Hop is Dead.... there is no culture anymore, the NY Undercover, Wu Tang, Illmatic stuff they talked about was completely different than what i experienced.
like manhattan clubs being wack
obvioulsy u didnt go to poppin spotscab drivers r indian for the most part bruh
ppl aint dude once u talk to em
manhattan will always have the best broads
and u was prolly on the other side of jamaica awzy from merrick, guy brew, and baisely
rip to mazaradi foxx, its no joke out there
same exact observations from when i went last year for the first time.i went there with a typical anti-east coast, california kinda vibe.. but i kinda dig the city.
random thoughts
-The train system is amazing.
-there is absolutely no where to park in Manhattan
-I couldnt catch a cab for shyt... racist ass Arabs..
-everyone is rude as hell (except the Spanish folks for some reason)
-what in the world is a Sicilian? god damn them hoes was fine.
-I was disappointed that nobody I spoke to said "Son" God" or "Peace God"
-Times Square is annoying.
-Queensbridge is hood as fukk, but the street over is a lotta of white people, which was weird.
-Do or Die Bed Stye no longer exists, its now Rent or Buy...... all that stuff Biggie rapped about no longer exists...
-didnt realize Marcy and where Biggie grew up is less than 1 mile.
-Queens (by the JFK airport) is the only place i seen with houses.
-Manhattan clubs are wack as fukk... just a bunch of drugged up skinny hoes..phony Hollywood vibe.
-Meatpacking District was even worse.
-Brooklyn had the best clubs and the finest women.
-First time in my life seeing Puerto Rican and Dominican Women
-Harlem was crackin, walked down whatever street that had the Apollo...
-spoke to a dude who owned the Italian Pizza joint who told me stories about the 1980s and early 90s in Harlem and how much its changed.
-Newark is a piece of shyt.
-South Jamaica Queens look like a middle class neighborhood.
-I had no idea Ground Zero and Times Square were in two different areas of Manhattan (seemed like about 10 miles)
-went to Ground Zero, shyt was surreal.
Overrall, i was impressed, i like the city... but i kinda see why NYC Hip Hop is Dead.... there is no culture anymore, the NY Undercover, Wu Tang, Illmatic stuff they talked about was completely different than what i experienced.
i was blowed by the africans in harlem on 125th
abyssinian baptist
i will never tip a taxi driver, them rates is murderous as is
