If African Americans were allowed to keep their original African culture..

IllmaticDelta

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I really don’t see how anyone can say Christianity WASNT forced upon slaves and used as a way of control

I think y’all are just christian is who don’t want to admit that:jbhmm:


I think what people are saying is religion was probably less of a control factor than the physical ones they used to control them. In the Americas, Africans slaves reshaped Christianity to how they saw fit


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The story of African-American religion is a tale of variety and creative fusion. Enslaved Africans transported to the New World beginning in the fifteenth century brought with them a wide range of local religious beliefs and practices. This diversity reflected the many cultures and linguistic groups from which they had come. The majority came from the West Coast of Africa, but even within this area religious traditions varied greatly. Islam had also exerted a powerful presence in Africa for several centuries before the start of the slave trade: an estimated twenty percent of enslaved people were practicing Muslims, and some retained elements of their practices and beliefs well into the nineteenth century. Catholicism had even established a presence in areas of Africa by the sixteenth century.

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Funeral in Guinea, west Africa, drawn by a French painter, ca. 1789 (detail)

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"Heathen practices in funerals," drawn by a Baptist missionary in Jamaica, ca. 1840 (detail)
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Preserving African religions in North America proved to be very difficult. The harsh circumstances under which most slaves lived—high death rates, the separation of families and tribal groups, and the concerted effort of white owners to eradicate "heathen" (or non-Christian) customs—rendered the preservation of religious traditions difficult and often unsuccessful. Isolated songs, rhythms, movements, and beliefs in the curative powers of roots and the efficacy of a world of spirits and ancestors did survive well into the nineteenth century. But these increasingly were combined in creative ways with the various forms of Christianity to which Europeans and Americans introduced African slaves. In Latin America, where Catholicism was most prevalent, slaves mixed African beliefs and practices with Catholic rituals and theology, resulting in the formation of entirely new religions such as vaudou in Haiti (later referred to as "voodoo"), Santeria in Cuba, and Candomblé in Brazil. But in North America, slaves came into contact with the growing number of Protestant evangelical preachers, many of whom actively sought the conversion of African Americans.

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Slaves baptized in a Moravian congregation, drawing entitled "Excorcism-Baptism of the Negroes" in a German history of the Moravians (United Brethren) in Pennsylvania, 1757 (detail)

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Religion and Slavery

In the decades after the American Revolution, northern states gradually began to abolish slavery, and thus sharper differences emerged in the following years between the experiences of enslaved peoples and those who were now relatively free. By 1810 the slave trade to the United States also came to an end and the slave population began to increase naturally, making way for the preservation and transmission of religious practices that were, by this time, truly "African-American."

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Slave preaching on a cotton plantation near Port Royal, South Carolina, engraving in The Illustrated London News, 5 Dec. 1863

On Secret Religious Meetings

"A Negro preacher delivered sermons on the plantation. Services being held in the church used by whites after their services on Sunday. The preacher must always act as a peacemaker and mouthpiece for the master, so they were told to be subservient to their masters in order to enter the Kingdom of God. But the slaves held secret meetings and had praying grounds where they met a few at a time to pray for better things."

Harriet Gresham, born a slave in 1838 in South Carolina, as reported by her interviewer, ca. 1935




"[The plantation owner] would not permit them to hold religious meetings or any other kinds of meetings, but they frequently met in secret to conduct religious services. When they were caught, the 'instigators'—known or suspected—were severely flogged. Charlotte recalls how her oldest brother was whipped to death for taking part in one of the religious ceremonies. This cruel act halted the secret religious services."

Charlotte Martin, born a slave in 1854 in Florida, as reported by her interviewer, 1936




"Tom Ashbie's [plantation owner] father went to one of the cabins late at night, the slaves were having a secret prayer meeting. He heard one slave ask God to change the heart of his master and deliver him from slavery so that he may enjoy freedom. Before the next day the man disappeared . . . When old man Ashbie died, just before he died he told the white Baptist minister, that he had killed Zeek for praying and that he was going to hell."

Rev. Silas Jackson, born a slave in 1846 or 1847 in Virginia, as transcribed by his interviewer, 1937
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A Gullah "praise house," a surviving example of slaves' secret meeting places, and its pastor, Rev. Henderson; St. Helena Island, South Carolina, 1995
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This transition coincided with the period of intense religious revivalism known as "awakenings." In the southern states increasing numbers of slaves converted to evangelical religions such as the Methodist and Baptist faiths. Many clergy within these denominations actively promoted the idea that all Christians were equal in the sight of god, a message that provided hope and sustenance to the slaves. They also encouraged worship in ways that many Africans found to be similar, or at least adaptable, to African worship patterns, with enthusiastic singing, clapping, dancing, and even spirit-possession. Still, many white owners insisted on slave attendance at white-controlled churches, since they were fearful that if slaves were allowed to worship independently they would ultimately plot rebellion against their owners. It is clear that many blacks saw these white churches, in which ministers promoted obedience to one's master as the highest religious ideal, as a mockery of the "true" Christian message of equality and liberation as they knew it.

In the slave quarters, however, African Americans organized their own "invisible institution." Through signals, passwords, and messages not discernible to whites, they called believers to "hush harbors" where they freely mixed African rhythms, singing, and beliefs with evangelical Christianity. It was here that the spirituals, with their double meanings of religious salvation and freedom from slavery, developed and flourished; and here, too, that black preachers, those who believed that God had called them to speak his Word, polished their "chanted sermons," or rhythmic, intoned style of extemporaneous preaching. Part church, part psychological refuge, and part organizing point for occasional acts of outright rebellion (Nat Turner, whose armed insurrection in Virginia in 1831 resulted in the deaths of scores of white men, women, and children, was a self-styled Baptist preacher), these meetings provided one of the few ways for enslaved African Americans to express and enact their hopes for a better future.

African American Christianity, Pt. I: To the Civil War, The Nineteenth Century, Divining America: Religion in American History, TeacherServe, National Humanities Center
 

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I think what people are saying is religion was probably less of a control factor than the physical ones they used to control them. In the Americas, Africans slaves reshaped Christianity to how they saw fit




African American Christianity, Pt. I: To the Civil War, The Nineteenth Century, Divining America: Religion in American History, TeacherServe, National Humanities Center
Mental and psychological control is just as important. We’re talking about a religion that teaches slaves to obey their masters
 

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Mental and psychological control is just as important.

mental approach alone wouldn't stick if doesn't come alone with the physical approach whereas you could intimidate off the physical alone



We’re talking about a religion that teaches slaves to obey their masters

again, this is where you (the slave) could use your own interpretation of the same scriptures which we know they did
 

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You didn't.

It just needs to be stated that all of these bullshyt religions have been equally devastating to the lives of Africans.

mental approach alone wouldn't stick if doesn't come alone with the physical approach whereas you could intimidate off the physical alone





again, this is where you (the slave) could use your own interpretation of the same scriptures which we know they did

You guys Christians?
 

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If Blacks kept African tradition, there would be bloodshed and revolution. There would be no America.

Why do you think we were converted to Christianity by force?
This had less to do with religion and more to do with the fact that the US stood to benefit from being the baby of the Americas, so they were able to make adjustments based on mistakes that older colonies in the Caribbean and South America had made early on in regards to slavery.

Revolts and maroonage still took place here, but some of the circumstances were different than a lot of places.

Besides most revolts no matter where were put down by snitches, regardless of belief.
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I don't think this was much of a possibility of us keeping our customs tbh

My grandmother was skilled in knowledge of Voudon, which was passed on through the females of my family (except my mother) from my maternal ancestor who tutored under Marie Laveau and her daughter in NOLA.

From my recollection of my convos with my grandmother and my great grandmother when I was much younger, a lot of white folks were terrified and somewhat awed by practitioners..they even passed laws in NOLA regulating the utilization of spells back then but this was in the late 1800's, after the conclusion of the Civil War. Voudon was b*stardized and catholicized way before then as a way to protect some of the traditions and satisfy the white slave owners zealousness in "getting all that Africa of us" as my grandma would say. I'm being extremely basic with this response.

I don't know if you wanna go into this more here but I would like to read more on this. perhaps you can elaborate on this more in the root's trad. af. religions thread
 

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You guys Christians?

I don't know how Christian I am, but I was baptized. I believe in God so if that makes me a Christian then so be it. Fwiw it is worth I am fully aware that a large part of my DNA is from Senegambia and Ivory Coast, which no doubt made many of my ancestors Muslim. Some of my current family members are also Muslim. I am also aware that me and my mother have DNA that comes back to the Lemba people, which makes us part Jewish.

My contention has nothing to do with Islam or Christianity and everything to do with the fact that all religions demand obedience. That is what Hell is all about. How many Africans do you think were converted to Islam at tip of a knife? Some nikka pulled a blade on them and then they became Muslim. I get it.

I understand. Religion is not lost on me. It is all bullshyt to control people. One religion is not any better or more saintly than the others; and they have all been detrimental to Africans. Look at that Long JuJu religion. They were selling nikkas into slavery too.
 
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