Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[MrFettuccinnePockets]

Are u aware of who ultimately CONTROLS hiphop? Not us. And thats exactly why most of the music promotes negativity. When THEY saw how influential and powerful the new genre called "hiphop" had become, thats when they took control of it and started manipulating it to THEIR benefit.

To control a mass group of people you must gain control of their MINDS. This has been going on since the slave days. Psychological manipulation was a HUGE reason the white man was able to remain in control of slaves for so long. Even in 2016, the black race is in a psychological war

Hiphop culture is helping to keep us in a "slavelike" mindset.

Bingo.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The Mack was made by a whiteman tho.

a lot of Blaxpliotation films were by whites..
Hence the title....self inflicted

The entire conception of the Blaxploitation and all it's themes were created/pioneered by a black man

 

[smokeurobinson]

Originally in Blues music




Originally in Jazz




Blues, Jazz and R&B used other words that basically meant the same thing




see above

Now this is what I need for you to do....Now you have to back up your claim. Show and prove.


I can easily find 5 Hip Hop songs to back up my claim.......But now I need you to post 5 popular Jazz songs were 1) Blackmen are bragging about killing other Blackmen...2) Black men bragging about selling drugs in the community (This one I know u are full of shyt because if we talking hard drugs....the average person just wasnt moving no raw shyt like that back in the 40's...My grandmamma told me but I'll let u tell it) and 3) where Blackmen are calling Blackwomen bytches and hos



If you can post 5 songs with all 3 of the above...I'll stand corrected.


*waits for 1940's song where blues singer sings about how he dont love them bytches and hoes because they give him the down home blues*

 

[smokeurobinson]

The entire conception of the Blaxploitation and all it's themes were created/pioneered by a black man

Wrong...

Melvin Van Peeples ushered in Black independence films....
dont confuse independent Black films with "Blaxploitation."
Those are 2 different things.
I cant believe you actually tried to weasel that bullshyt lie in the conversation.

 

[MrPentatonic]

A lot of the criticisms about rap were the same criticisms they said about all other black genres. I'm sure I've read somewhere that white slave owners said the same thing about the early wave of africanized music the slaves brought over too. They banned or controlled it because they found out slaves could communicate to each other through it and then branded it as demonic and encouraging violent, rebelious and boistrous behaviour

 

[smokeurobinson]

A lot of the criticisms about rap were the same criticisms they said about all other black genres. I'm sure I've read somewhere that white slave owners said the same thing about the early wave of africanized music the slaves brought over too.

But we talking about "self inflicted" stereotypes tho. Not inflictions from outside of our race.

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

Oh look, another dumb thread, where idiots ignore history and context and still think their statements are poignant.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Now this is what I need for you to do....Now you have to back up your claim. Show and prove.


I can easily find 5 Hip Hop songs to back up my claim.......But now I need you to post 5 popular Jazz songs were 1) Blackmen are bragging about killing other Blackmen...

There are countless Blues/Afram folk songs of this nature

2) Black men bragging about selling drugs in the community (This one I know u are full of shyt because if we talking hard drugs....the average person just wasnt moving no raw shyt like that back in the 40's...My grandmamma told me but I'll let u tell it) and

Is weed not a drug? There are countless Jazz songs about it

3) where Blackmen are calling Blackwomen bytches and hos

they used different verbiage but the message was the same

If you can post 5 songs with all 3 of the above...I'll stand corrected.


*waits for 1940's song where blues singer sings about how he dont love them bytches and hoes because they give him the down home blues*

Almost any foul topic you can find in Rap was first talked about/performed in the Blues

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

There are countless Blues/Afram folk songs of this nature



Is weed not a drug? There are countless Jazz songs about it





they used different verbiage but the message was the same




Almost any foul topic you can find in Rap was first talked about/performed in the Blues

Hell here's a song about a dude bragging about his dikk size



and it's lowkey catchy as fukk.

 

[Mr.Logic]

....Social Media is fast becoming the second but Hip Hop is the first..

...and it all started when Gangster rap invaded the mainstream in 1993.

When Jazz was the "in" thing...Blackmen wore suits, hell you couldnt even get in a Jazz club without a suit. All the way up to 70's R&B we sang about love and Blackmen dressed like grown men, they even had a term for it, "Dressing /looking sharp." When Superfly (which was directed by a Black man) came out it was countered by a soundtrack denouning drug dealing and drug using. Minstrel shows where out of our control...The way the news and Hollywood portrayed us was out of our control.

But Hip Hop was in our control and look at where we took in since the emergence of gangster/drug dealer rap in the early 90's.

- Black men bragging about killing other Blackmen
- Black Men bragging about selling drugs in their community
- Black men refering to Blackwomen as bytches and hoes
- Blackwomen accepting being called a bytch and a ho(Prior to Hip Hop the only time a woman accepted this on an open level was if she was in the nightlife of the underworld)
- Blackmen bragging about sleeping with other Blackmens wives
- Blackmen making light of hurting/killing children
- Blackmen boasting of their financial status to an audience of people who aren't rich as if to shove it in their faces like snobs.
Blackmen condoning illegal activity and boasting after the illegal activity is complete
- Grown Blackmen dressing like teens and acting like teens
- Blackmen proudly speaking ignorant.


All of the above was self inflicted....No one outside of our race created these images...we(Hip Hop) did...Notice how I dont exclude myself because I cant. I am a contributing factor to all of this as well because I supported it for years, as with so many others. In the late 80's the music of NWA and 2 Live Crew were distributed independently...they weren't pushed by a "machine" so all that conspiracy theory nonsense goes right out the window. No one forces rappers to flash guns or speak on camera about beef with other Blackmen.(I remember Kid Capri saying he refused to ever talk about anyone he ever had beef with openly...Different times different era I guess)


My thing is this....Now that we are here and we are in so deep....what do we do to counter it all?? This self inflicted image has been in effect for around 23 years....Thats 23 years of damage that needs to be reversed and replaced with an alternative...But how the hell is that going to happen? In all of Americas history we never experienced this type of self inflicted damage.

Hip Hop is not stereotype though, Black people consider it their CULTURE...So, it is something that they live by and pass on to their children...That's what culture is...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

- Funk was the original soundtrack to gang culture?? Yeah because I'm sure when James Brown was saying "say it loud I'm Black and I'm proud" he wanted to the Pirus to respond by saying "Suuuuwoooo"

It was to the gang culture of the 1970's. Funk music was the OST to modern street life before gangsta rap came along

 

[Concerning VIolence]

"Self-inflicted" but it's not.

Think the colonized perception of blackness as the antithesis to all things pure and white is something new under the sun...

Your only grip is with gangsta rap which didn't come until the 90's and ended by the mid 2000s.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Hell here's a song about a dude bragging about his dikk size



and it's lowkey catchy as fukk.

it's part of the reason white adults were scared of the Rock N Roll revolution

 

[IllmaticDelta]

A black man cant do anything "outside of the box" without being labeled as less than black, soft or even gay due to the stereotypes that hiphop culture promotes. Most of which are negative.

this kind of think existed waayyy before HipHop. You must not know anything about Jimi Hendrix

How Jimi Hendrix's race became his 'invisible legacy'

Two weeks after closing Woodstock with his reinvention of "The Star Spangled Banner," Jimi Hendrix decided to offer a free concert for a group he called "my people."
He held a concert for an African-American audience in Harlem, a place he once called home. Hendrix's homecoming, though, was almost ruined as soon as he stepped onstage. Someone threw a bottle at him that shattered against a speaker; eggs splattered on the stage. Hendrix gamely played on while much of the crowd melted away.
"They didn't like him," says Charles R. Cross, who recounts the episode in his biography of Hendrix, "Room Full of Mirrors." "He was jeered. People heckled him."

Hendrix traveled to Harlem because he was trying to connect with blacks who had dismissed him as a musical Uncle Tom: a black man playing white man's music. Music critics and biographers say Hendrix also was frustrated by legions of white fans who only saw him as a racial stereotype -- a hypersexual black man who was high all the time -- instead of a serious musician.

He wanted blacks to celebrate his music


Before he held his ill-fated Harlem concert, Hendrix told a New York Times reporter why he returned to his old neighborhood.
"Sometimes when I come up here, people say, 'He plays white rock for white people,' " Hendrix said. " 'What's he doing up here?' Well, I want to show them that music is universal -- that there is no white rock or black rock."
Hendrix's quest for acceptance among his own people was a lifelong journey. He first tried to make it among black clubs on the Chitlin' Circuit, but his virtuoso guitar playing didn't fit the black popular music taste of the time.
"There was no place for Hendrix," Tate, the journalist, says. Black music then "was based around the style of singing, harmony and production of Motown."
Hendrix even stopped by black radio stations to encourage them to play his music to no avail, says Cross, author of "Room Full of Mirrors."
"It was very upsetting to him that he was not accepted in African-American radio stations," Cross says.
Hendrix didn't want to be confined by racial categories, but musical audiences were segregated like the rest of America, Cross says.
"Because Jimi played to white fans in an era of Black Power and separatism, they felt that he had betrayed his own race by having a white band and playing to an audience that was primarily white," Cross says.
Hendrix aggressively reached out to black audiences during the last two years of his life. He grew an Afro, wrote protest-themed songs and replaced his white bandmates with two black friends to form the Band of Gypsies. The group released a live album featuring Hendrix's classic, "Machine Gun."
The "Band of Gypsies" album gave hints of a new musical direction for Hendrix. He had befriended jazz musicians like Miles Davis who encouraged him to stretch. (The two had discussed making a recording together.) Hendrix was experimenting with larger bands, adding percussion and recording songs that sounded like a cross between jazz fusion and funk music. He told friends he was tired of the sexual showmanship and playing the Psychedelic Superspade.

How Jimi Hendrix stopped being black - CNN.com