GRAPEVINE EDITION: Can Black People Be Racist?

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I'm in Asia breh. Chinese working for a Chinese company with Chinese majority shareholders and all Chinese management and bosses. Although somehow that must still mean I'm being racist towards black folk and by extension working for white supremacy :ehh:

I can't speak for my entire race, nor do I presume to assume the mindsets of entire races, as some are doing, but I personally don't want to see supremacy of any kind. Just equality.

Well we can't get to equality until you acknowledge the system of white supremacy that dominates this world.

This whole blindness to what we all know is happening is the biggest factor that keeps us from being equal.
 

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Well we can't get to equality until you acknowledge the system of white supremacy that dominates this world.

This whole blindness to what we all know is happening is the biggest factor that keeps us from being equal.
Nobody out here is denying that white supremacy is in full effect breh. The point I'm attempting to illustrate the is ludicrousness of your insinuation that other races cannot be racist to each other (whether systematic or personal) but only to blacks. Most individuals reaction to that statement is based on the personal level and not on the economic and systemic level. That lies beyond my control, unfortunately. However, on a personal level, I can teach my little cousins, nieces, nephews, children, etc, that black people are just like us, human beings trying to make a living and achieve happiness and we shouldn't treat them differently. Many races have negative stereotypes of others (the things you hear some races say about others is fukking atrocious :snoop:) and I'm actively trying to uproot that bullshyt from my younger family members.
 

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Nobody out here is denying that white supremacy is in full effect breh. The point I'm attempting to illustrate the is ludicrousness of your insinuation that other races cannot be racist to each other (whether systematic or personal) but only to blacks. Most individuals reaction to that statement is based on the personal level and not on the economic and systemic level. That lies beyond my control, unfortunately. However, on a personal level, I can teach my little cousins, nieces, nephews, children, etc, that black people are just like us, human beings trying to make a living and achieve happiness and we shouldn't treat them differently. Many races have negative stereotypes of others (the things you hear some races say about others is fukking atrocious :snoop:) and I'm actively trying to uproot that bullshyt from my younger family members.

You may be able to teach your immediate family, but they may or may not listen to you, and ultimately white supremacy--as well as the racism you say exists between and within minorities--is composed of racist individuals all acting in ways that are anti-black.

There is no way to "destroy" racism. Black people can only do what is best for us, no matter what. I have individual white friends whom I love, and I will continue loving them, but I know now--after a childhood where liberalism ruled me--that the Black man must fight for everything and be willing to do anything to achieve it.

Men respect other men out of fear, not love. I respect the war capability of the Europeans because I fear them. I obey because I fear them and their monopoly of power over the land, air and sea. Because of these facts I am forever a slave no matter what I do or where I go.

But no man's power is infinite, unassailable and all-enveloping. Power weakens at turns in the road, in dark corners, in places of the world men can find their peace under the black cloak of tyranny.

Black men must do whatever we can to lift ourselves out of poverty whereby we are afflicted by racism and power dynamics which make us go insane, homeless, broken and decimated. Fighting is the only answer. All things in this world fight to survive and thrive--the ant, the grey wolf, the bee--or else it does. Black men are not different. Fight or die.

The grey wolf works together to eat, or else the individual grey wolves don't work. The pack stays together, it lives together, and leadership and communication rule the day, or else the day kills the herd. Whatever anyone says, Black men must learn to put aside our ego, our sense of independence, our LAZINESS, our ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM, and fight the group the world sees as as being. Or else we will die as the group the world sees us as being. I know Black men warred in Africa but the world has changed. Now we are all the same tribe - the Black Tribe.
 
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Having the least amount of systemic power is not the same as having no power.

You learned (aka you read online) that Racism is prejudice + power, and that may be true, but the only way black people “couldn’t be racist” under that rule is if we were powerless, which we are not.

The inferiority with nikkas is something I can’t get with anymore.

Agreed. Some of the weakest, most powerless white people are the ones who are racist as fukk, so I ain't getting behind that "only White people can be racist cause they have all the power" definition.

There is some white trash Appalachian brother in the hills of West Virginia who grew up without indoor plumbing, has never had a conversation with a black person in his life, who the Powers That Be don't give a shyt about as long as he sacrifices his health working in their coal mines. He will most likely live and die his entire life without any economic or social power, he's gonna be lucky if his kids graduate high school and gets jobs without becoming drug addicts.

Am I gonna say that he can't be racist because he has no power?

Or am I gonna pretend he got some sort of power just because those who are in power happen to have the same skin color as him, even though they wouldn't give him the time of day and their power makes no difference whatsoever in his life?

I went to college and I heard the same damn definition of racism and I even parroted it back in that day. Then I entered the real world and grew up. Now I don't care about ridiculous academic leftist definitions of racism. We all know what the hell racism is. If a dude is racist, he racist, I don't care whether he a racist poor white trash or a self-hating black man or a racist militant talking trash on The Coli about Arabs and Mexicans.

Racism is racism. If you don't like it when they do it, then stop trying to be like them and start aiming for actual righteousness.
 

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Black people are not confined to just the United States. If my president started rounding up cacs or indians (:mjpls:) and killing them in chambers, I think that would be pretty damn racist. So yes, the capability is there.
 

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p.s. - I ain't got all that many blocks, but only 6-10 posts making it through each page of this debate. Must mean Napoleon and....? are going on overdrive? :russ:
 

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You may be able to teach your immediate family, but they may or may not listen to you, and ultimately white supremacy--as well as the racism you say exists between and within minorities--is composed of racist individuals all acting in ways that are anti-black.

There is no way to "destroy" racism. Black people can only do what is best for us, no matter what. I have individual white friends whom I love, and I will continue loving them, but I know now--after a childhood where liberalism ruled me--that the Black man must fight for everything and be willing to do anything to achieve it.

Men respect other men out of fear, not love. I respect the war capability of the Europeans because I fear them. I obey because I fear them and their monopoly of power over the land, air and sea. Because of these facts I am forever a slave no matter what I do or where I go.

But no man's power is infinite, unassailable and all-enveloping. Power weakens at turns in the road, in dark corners, in places of the world men can find their peace under the black cloak of tyranny.

Black men must do whatever we can to lift ourselves out of poverty whereby we are afflicted by racism and power dynamics which make us go insane, homeless, broken and decimated. Fighting is the only answer. All things in this world fight to survive and thrive--the ant, the grey wolf, the bee--or else it does. Black men are not different. Fight or die.

The grey wolf works together to eat, or else the individual grey wolves don't work. The pack stays together, it lives together, and leadership and communication rule the day, or else the day kills the herd. Whatever anyone says, Black men must learn to put aside our ego, our sense of independence, our LAZINESS, our ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM, and fight the group the world sees as as being. Or else we will die as the group the world sees us as being. I know Black men warred in Africa but the world has changed. Now we are all the same tribe - the Black Tribe.
What will be the unifying factor that brings all black folks together? Within each race there is discord, strife and division, classism and elitism. What will be the catalyst?
 

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I disagree and you assume too much. Just because you observe you have no power within a particular 'kingdom' does not mean you see yourself as inferior. That's lack of thinking or lazy minded. You observe that you are at a disadvantage. Some one having a better hand in a card game does not mean they are superior to you, it just means they have a better hand in the game.

You come off as having a fragile ego or just a cac.
A better hand doesn’t mean you have no hand. Being at a disadvantage doesn’t mean you can’t compete. Not being able to be AS racist as white people, doesn’t mean you can’t be racist at all.

My ego is the opposite of fragile. Black people suffer under WS, we also lack accountability at a severe clip.
 

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Agreed. Some of the weakest, most powerless white people are the ones who are racist as fukk, so I ain't getting behind that "only White people can be racist cause they have all the power" definition.

There is some white trash Appalachian brother in the hills of West Virginia who grew up without indoor plumbing, has never had a conversation with a black person in his life, who the Powers That Be don't give a shyt about as long as he sacrifices his health working in their coal mines. He will most likely live and die his entire life without any economic or social power, he's gonna be lucky if his kids graduate high school and gets jobs without becoming drug addicts.

Am I gonna say that he can't be racist because he has no power?

Or am I gonna pretend he got some sort of power just because those who are in power happen to have the same skin color as him, even though they wouldn't give him the time of day and their power makes no difference whatsoever in his life?

I went to college and I heard the same damn definition of racism and I even parroted it back in that day. Then I entered the real world and grew up. Now I don't care about ridiculous academic leftist definitions of racism. We all know what the hell racism is. If a dude is racist, he racist, I don't care whether he a racist poor white trash or a self-hating black man or a racist militant talking trash on The Coli about Arabs and Mexicans.

Racism is racism. If you don't like it when they do it, then stop trying to be like them and start aiming for actual righteousness.

White people became powerful through racism, tribalism and working together to kill enemy races. It is white people's nature default to be racist. They must work against their better reason to be non-racist, to fight tribalism. The white war machine runs on one part technology, the other part racial camaraderie.

You think the guys in the Applachians are so ignorant that they voted for white supremacist Trump mistakenly? Fool.

The Powers That Be, Trump and his herd of white supremacists, were elected by the guy in the Appalachians. That guy saw Trumps' naked anti-blackness and voted for Trump anyway because the guy in the Applachanians believes in the same white power that Trump does.
The people in places like the Appalachians chose the People in Power to mimic what the people in the Appalachians want. Their actions show you what they are, and show what Blacks MUST DO.

I'm in college right now. You proclaim you went to college and didn't see racism? Then you did not look close enough or you don't know what racism is. It is not racist for a downtrodden man to fight for his future. and freedom. Damn your definitions. Militants wrote the history of this word in blood and there's a white militant in the White House right now, Donald Trump, writing a new chapter.

Donald Trump was elected by the white militants in the USA, the guy in the Appachalacians you think is so innocent. The self-righteous men are all dead, killed by the racist men, who knew better.
 
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White people became powerful through racism, tribalism and working together to kill enemy races. It is white people's nature default to be racist. They must work against their better reason to be non-racist, to fight tribalism. The white war machine runs on one part technology, the other part racial camaraderie.

When did White people become powerful like that? Southern Europeans were powerful a couple thousand years ago and then fell off for a long minute before making a comeback more recently. Northern Europeans didn't gain power until the last thousand or so years. And they didn't start "working together" to fight "enemy races" until the last few hundred years. So this "nature" you're talking about CAN'T be genetic, because genetics don't work nearly that fast.

There was tribalism and conflict within every race at various times in history. But the social construct of being a "unified race" that sees the "other races" as the enemy and feels any sort of group solidarity to combat them is a very recent thing for the vast majority of the world.

I agree that they have to work against something in order to fight it, and it isn't easy. That "something" is a very recently developed social pressure and perceived self-interest within large sub-groups of the community, not anything innate or natural.



You think the guys in the Applachians are so ignorant that they voted for white supremacist Trump mistakenly? Fool.

A great deal of White Supremacy was DESIGNED in order to trick those ignorant powerless Appalachians into siding with their financial/political/social masters. You haven't heard that by this point? The people who ruled the South for the most part were the descendants of the British Cavaliers, wealthy royalty types who had been completely at odds with the less sophisticated groups (Scots-Irish and such) that made up the majority of the White population. They had been full-on enemies in Britain, and were primed to be enemies in the USA too. One of the main ways that the wealthy aristocrats kept control over the South was by convincing the White underclass that even though they were an underclass, "at least they weren't black." They used the image of racial solidarity and a common "enemy" to keep control over a population they otherwise would be at odds with, and even use them to do their bidding.

You see the same thing everywhere. Last few decades in India you've had high-caste Hindus ramp up the idea of the "Muslim threat" to create the image of religious solidarity and get votes from low-caste Hindus and even get them as ground troops in massive acts of violence. There was a state-wide riot where like a thousand people (mostly Muslims) died, clearly orchestrated by the Hindu Nationalist party in charge, where the vast majority of Hindus who killed and Hindus who died were all from the UNDERCLASS who had traditionally been despised by the very leaders whose bidding they were now doing. It doesn't mean that those low-caste Hindus gain actual power, the Powers That Be just found a convenient way to divert their attention from all the other L's they've been taking at the hands of the exact same leaders they're now caping for.



The Powers That Be, Trump and his herd of white supremacists, were elected by the guy in the Appalachians. That guy saw Trumps' naked anti-blackness and voted for Trump anyway because the guy in the Applachanians believes in the same white power that Trump does.
The people in places like the Appalachians chose the People in Power to mimic what the people in the Appalachians want. Their actions show you what they are, and show what Blacks MUST DO.

Yes, they did vote that way, and it was BY DESIGN. I'm not saying those Appalachians aren't racist, I'm saying that they don't have real power. They're tools.



I'm in college right now. You proclaim you went to college and didn't see racism? Then you did not look close enough or you don't know what racism is. It is not racist for a downtrodden man to fight for his future. and freedom. Damn your definitions. Militants wrote the history of this word in blood and there's a white militant in the White House right now, Donald Trump, writing a new chapter.

When the hell did I say I didn't see racism in college? :what:

The rest of the shyt you say is confused as hell, but I see you still in college so you have plenty of years to change and likely will evolve in your positions more than once, as I did. I suggest that you spend a good bit of time not only listening to the interpretations of history, but listen to interpretations from more than one side and then see which of those interpretations matches up with the actual FACTS of history. Start with this one:

1. How have various revolutions occurred? Get into the details, including which were violent and which were nonviolent, or comparatively how mixed.
2. Which one of those various approaches were most successful in overthrowing the oppressors or changing real conditions? Don't be satisfied with case studies (though you need those to understand shyt deeply), but look and see if there is cumulative data too, real statistics that support a particular approach.
3. After overthrow, what happened? Just another new oppressor while conditions remained unchanged for 90%? What % of revolutions led to genuine freedom for the people who had been in the underclass, and what % just led to another dictator? Did a particular manner of conducting revolution more consistently lead to a meaningfully positive outcome?

The information is out there. Keep doing your homework and don't get stuck within a single rut, especially if that rut has no real support holding it together.



Donald Trump was elected by the white militants in the USA, the guy in the Appachalacians you think is so innocent. The self-righteous men are all dead, killed by the racist men, who knew better.

When the hell did I say the Appalachian fool was innocent? I despise racists, whether they are powerful or not. I didn't say that the powerless racist in Appalachia is righteous or innocent, I'm saying that he's still clearly a racist despite his actual powerlessness. The fact that he's stuck living a shytty life and none of the people he's voting for give a shyt about changing that for him doesn't make his racism any less despicable.

And I don't want to be like him, whether I have power or not. And I don't think any of us should.
 
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