Did NY hip hop ever make you want to be part of the 5%er's?

[A.V.]

THAT IS NONSENSE BROTHER....I as a GODBODY have been one of FREEMASONRY's strongest advocates..but i am also MAN enough to CRITICIZE it's "flaws".....

AV.........yes indeed the correlation between 5% and FREEMASON is strong...simply because as the LESSONS TAUGHT US as youths it asks the question "WHO ARE THE 5%??

and the answer refers to the POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHERS whom are the MOSLEMS (moors, sufis, seveners, ishmalites) and the MUSLIM SONS (shriners) whom are MASONS

My question unto you lord..is WE NEVER GIVEN THE MASONS A BAD NAME or said they didn't TEACH THE SAME THING...

It was the CHRISTIAN CHURCH whom persucuted masons as well as thier predecessors the KNIGHTS TEMPLERS whom gave them a bad name i.e (satanic, occult).......

We simply said "THEIR IS NO SECRET!!"

Making a man PAY to "view" the ROYAL SECRET in a DRAMATIC CEREMONY as opposed to having him obtain the KNOWLEDGE OF IT WITHIN HIMSELF WAS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

To the masons the 33rd degree is a HONORABLE DEGREE...the regular (white) masons did a diservice to many by witholding the true esoteric meaning of this which relates greatly to BLACK MEN AND PARTICULARLY BLACK WOMEN whom they KEPT from it.

BLACKS had to form PHA (PRINCE HALL AFFILIATED) lodges because GEORGE WASHINGTON rejected the concept of a black mason, so the black masons went to petition the U.G.L.E (united grand lodge of england) whom ACCEPTED the masons but only on STRICT TERMS, and the reason they did this was to UNDERMIND the whites in america..cause ENGLAND and USA were at WAR!!!!

And still to this day....the SHRINE (moslem sons) will NOT accept blacks....

So how can you not say the White man doesn't have a DEVILISH NATURE when he has DEVIATED from the TRUTH .............

We are a REMINDER OF THAT TRUTH which he fails to accept...and is validated in his sciences.......freemasonry is based on ancient esoteric sciences which validates the DIVINITY OF THE BLACK MAN and it's right to spread it's LIGHT TO THE OTHER HUMAN FAMILIES:

*sacred geometry (pythagoras and euclid both studied in africa to learn fundemental truths which form blue lodge freemasonry )

*kaballah (this numerological system based on esoteric integers has it's roots Metu Neter (words of god) of egypt ......and even was practiced in Fez, Morroco according to Christian Rosencruz prior to it's "corruption by the so-called jews of isreal whom ommited the OZ (O) which reveals a esoteric secret related to dark matter and the dual nature of the black man)

*alchemy (is about refining and the main product to be refined is the PRIME NIGREDO (original black) into the philosophers stone of shining light , which is a refrence to CHI and CHRIST and the regenetive nature of man and a dogma acknowledged in freemasonry)

So it is foolish brother to think that we would DEGRADE our muslim sons (masons) when they have degraded themselves and also submit to us...if you knew the lessons they CAN'T REVEAL what is taught unless it is to somebody worthy of 35-50 years of service that's why that SWORD IS ABOVE THIER HEAD ....THEY FAILED THIER OBLIGATION something they haven't done...THEY SELL DEGREES TO ANYBODY.....IT AIN'T HARD TO BE A MASON

This is the prototypical 5%er I was speaking about. Exhibit A. Long on ideology but short on critical thinking. Can spew random "facts" at a rapid rate but can't think logically to save his life. So rooted in the incomplete culture that is 5% (the Father NEVER GOT TO FINISH WHAT HE WANTED THIS CULTURE TO BE), that he can't think outside of the invisible box it puts some constituents into. And I never said Freemasonry didn't have flaws, so your opening sentence, to refute me as if I did...was Now Cypher.


For the most part, you just said a whole lot of nothing, (to me at least...because you're right about some of what you said, and to a degree, I agree...) no disrespect intended at all. But I never said the white man didn't have devilish tendencies historically, or commit acts of atrocity unrivaled by any other major racial group. So all this CAPS LOCK FONT +7 shyt is o.d., God.


Reread my post and UNDERSTAND what I did say though. For one to claim to be the Original Man, and KNOW that Caucasians came from or after us (even WHITE SCIENTISTS/GENEAOLOGISTS/ANTHROPOLOGISTS ACKNOWLEDGE THIS) then why is it right or even relevant to label the white race as DEVILS? As I said. The Nation has it's bullshyt within it as does every other way of life. I can understand why though, being a black man. In the 60's while we were in the midst of HEAVY racial tension, not only was something needed (apart from Religion) to uplift Blacks, but to combat that racism we faced and make us realize we were better than the bullshyt they were forcing us to believe about ourselves, with a limited view of history taught with THEIR language. In turn, "it" (5%NGE) turned into quasi-defensive racism. I'm not with that. And yes, we know what Freemasonry is rooted in, but to claim that it's THEIR fault for keeping the public blind to the truth, when even pastors, theologians, etc know the truth, and still exploit the 85% for political and social stature & financial gain is more relevant.


There's numerous books in the world (dare I say millions), detailing the histories of most major religions, from a HISTORICAL, more FACTUAL perspective. It's not the Freemasons fault that the average human is Dumb, Deaf, and Blind. Some are so much so, that even if they were shown the truth, they'd still choose the bullshyt over the truth. At some point, you have to place blame on the ignorant individual for not seeking his own understanding. The blame we place on Freemasons is as if we think it's possible (or logical, after all these years,) for them to go on TV and proclaim to the world, the history of religion and the Black Man.



If I'm gonna build on P.E.A.C.E., it's gonna be P.E.A.C.E., and that's part of why the Nation is where it is today, in the minds of rational people, even those who aren't religious. Yes it was created FOR us, but there was never a stipulation made by the Father where he said Whites, Asians, Hispanics, Russians etc...COULDN'T be 5%ers. We just always had a problem with them claiming God, but as I said before...That's Now Cypher if it must be acknowledged that the Black Man is God, why not his seeds?


This is like telling someone that an appleseed, which eventually rotted, after coming from an apple that fell from the apple tree...didn't come from the apple tree itself and should be shunned. This is part of why in the 2010s, our culture is laughed at by outsiders, where if they REALLY KNEW what the culture was about, they'd take it as serious as it should be taken.

 

[DStyles]

I wanted to be a certified thug, drug dealer, and rapist because of hippity hop

 

[JuvenileHell]

Well I didn't want to be the 5%, but it was interesting to see how the references were incorporated into Hip Hop. All my fav MCs, from Nas to Ghostface to Prodigy and so forth made 5% references. It added a bit of depth to what they were saying.

I miss the 5% and Jamaican influence in rap

 

[JuvenileHell]

@AVthaPHARAOH and @The HONORABLE SKJ going in

 

[T-K-G]

the slang made for more interesting wordplay but outside of that, nah

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

Lol @ "you may want to look into the Illuminati." Son you're talking to me about something I've put YEARS of research into. I didn't just start doing this. Secondly, I never said, and do not believe to the best of my knowledge that 5%ers are an offshoot of Freemasonry at ALL. Christians and Muslims both revere the teachings of Jesus, that doesn't mean they're offshoots of eachother, or in cahoots, because they agree upon certain ideologies...


And like I said...for one, anything esoteric is normally labeled as "demonic" or "heresy". This was originally done (think Middle Ages, Crusades, even before that, etc.) to discourage the public from freedom of thought, and to fall under the influence under the state-ruled religion. At the end of the day, there's no evil cult group with reptilian lineage who worships owls and controls the world. For the most part, the "Illuminati" or illuminated ones, (illuminated by "light"/knowledge...meaning...those who have knowledge that supercedes the average individual/conventional way of thinking) wasn't what you think it is. I'm not saying the group doesn't exist, I'm saying the attributes given to them by paranoid conspiracy theorists are usually fabricated, wildly-imaginative bullshyt. These "shadow" groups existed, and their morals at times were less than good, the rest though is a lot less religiously sinister...


YES, there are evil, powerful groups and men out there. YES some of them happen to be very smart, and rooted in these cult-like groups and fraterneties. YES 5%ers (when you do the math) actually share SOME similar beliefs as far as KNOWLEDGE goes. But that's as far as it goes. All this "what does that tell you" you're spewing is rooted in conspiracy-like thinking and non-factual research. We only know what can be factually proven, remember that. And even then, some "facts" can be disproven or logically put up for debate, so there's little room for imaginary culprits, and folklore/anecdotes in the realm of critical thinking and fact-finding.


I like that you seem inquisitive, but the things you're bringing up are only the tip of the iceberg of relevant, fact-finding thought.


What this says about Hip-Hop, and society as a whole, is that the average person is IGNORANT, DUMB, DEAF & BLIND to the ways of the world, and true history of not only mankind, but EVERYTHING. Ultimately it is up to the individual to find "truth", and their own form of Heaven, love, peace and happiness. That's the ONLY thing ANY of this says. Remember, the most important question you can ever ask or seek answer to, is WHY.

Peace.

You seem to have gotten offended over my post that was my intent. But, I think that you may want to do more research so you can see that 5% knowledge is indeed from the branch of freemasonry. Here is a simple branch you can follow: Clarence was in the NOI, the NOI leadership and many founding members were Masons (Elijah Muhammad and Khalid Muhammad are confirmed Freemasons)



who came out of the Moorish Science Temple, the Moorish Science Temple in itself is overtly Masonic. He already touched on the Moors/Freemasonry connection but ask The HONORABLE SKJ how they connect to see how MST and Freemasonry are connected. The same masonic knowledge has been passed down between each group with various things taken away and added. At the heart are many of the same masonic doctrines contained within Freemasonry. So it's more than just an agreement if you can show the source of the agreement is the same which in this case Freemasonry is the common denominator.

Islam is a offshoot of Christianity in the sense that Koran relies heavily on the bible. I just had a battle with a Muslim a few weeks ago who told me the two books said the same thing accept where Christ was concerned and a few other areas. He was trying to tell me it was the same while acknowledging that it was different.

Fraternities, Sororities, Gangs, mafia etc. (and yes even Hip Hop) are all deeply rooted in Freemasonry as well which can be proven by comparing the symbols, hand signs, stances, colors, speech, structure, secret nature, initiation, penalties for speaking on said secrets etc. with said organization and Freemasonry. Go look at Snoop standing on the square on the Murder was the case cover, compare that to freemasonry and gang culture and yes Hip Hop. this video shows the connection between the Freemasonry, 5er's, Hip Hop and Gang culture all in one:


If you watch the video from the beginning Lord Jamar says that the 5%ers are deeply rooted in Hip Hop.
Out of all the groups I named above, which came first? In gang culture standing in certain ways is called profiling.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

you gettin' this work now! ​

Your view of the Illuminati simply isn't accurate. Your reptilian thing you mention is simply propaganda and has no real historical foundation. However the aims of the Illuminati does and so does the evil that they ascribe(d) to. From the Catholic encyclopedia we read:

His order was to be based entirely on human nature and observation; hence its degrees, ceremonies, and statutes were to be developed only gradually; then, in the light of experience and wider knowledge, and with the co-operation of all the members, they were to be steadily improved. For his prototype he relied mainly on Freemasonry, in accordance with which he modelled the degrees and ceremonial of his order. After the pattern of the Society of Jesus, though distorting to the point of caricature its essential features, he built up the strictly hierarchical organization of his society. "To utilize for good purposes the very means which that order employed for evil ends", such was, according to Philo (Endl. Erkl., 60 sq.), "his pet design". For the realization of his plans, he regarded as essential the "despotism of superiors" and the "blind, unconditional obedience of subordinates" (ibid.), along with the utmost secrecy and mysteriousness. At the beginning of 1777 he entered a Masonic Lodge and endeavoured, with other members of the order, to render Freemasonry as subservient as possible to his aims. As Weishaupt, however, despite all his activity as an agitator and the theoretic shrewdness he displayed, was at bottom only an unpractical bookworm, without the necessary experience of the world, his order for a long time made no headway. The accession to it, in 1780, of the Masonic agent Freiherr von Knigge (Philo), a man of wide experience and well known everywhere in Masonic circles, gave matters a decisive turn. In company with Weishaupt, who, as a philosopher and jurist, evolved the ideas and main lines of the constitution, Knigge began to elaborate rapidly the necessary degrees and statutes (until 1780 the Minerval degree was the only one in use), and at the same time worked vigorously to extend the order, for which within two years he secured 500 members. When the great international convention of Freemasons was held at Wilhelmsbad (16 July to 29 August, 1782) the "Illuminated Freemasonry", which Knigge and Weishaupt now proclaimed to be the only "pure" Freemasonry, had already gained such a reputation that almost all the members of the convention clamoured for admission into the new institution. Particularly valuable for the order was the accession of Bode (Amelius), who commanded the highest respect in all Masonic circles. Assisted by Bode, Knigge laboured diligently to convert the whole Masonic body into "Illuminated Freemasons". A number of the most prominent representatives of Freemasonry and "enlightenment" became Illuminati, including, in 1783, Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick, the foremost leader of European Freemasonry and the princely representative of the illuminism of his age. Other famous members were Goethe, Herder, and Nicolai. The order was also propagated in Sweden, Russia, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Austria, and France. But in 1783 dissensions arose between Knigge and Weishaupt, which resulted in the final withdrawal of the former on 1 July, 1784. Knigge could no longer endure Weishaupt's pedantic domineering, which frequently assumed offensive forms. He accused Weishaupt of "Jesuitism", and suspected him of being "a Jesuit in disguise" (Nachtr., I, 129). "And was I", he adds, "to labour under his banner for mankind, to lead men under the yoke of so stiff-necked a fellow?--Never!"

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07661b.htm
(You may want to read the entire entry for your own knowledge.)
Here is more info the subject:
http://troyspace2.wordpress.com/200...lege-the-stuarts-advanced-degree-freemasonry/

This shows the infiltration of Freemasonry by the Illuminati which is along the lines of what The HONORABLE SKJ was speaking upon earlier.

maSONS are simply OUR CHILDERN whom gone astray ....

It was the CHRISTIAN CHURCH whom persucuted masons as well as thier predecessors the KNIGHTS TEMPLERS whom gave them a bad name i.e (satanic, occult).......

However the Christian church which he speaks on is actually the Catholic Church and the Catholic Order that Illuminati represented was the Society Of Jesus aka the Jesuit Order. So yes the Illuminati did exist, did infiltrate Freemasonry, still controls Freemasonry, and the group that created the Illuminati still exist as well. To say they don't exist after knowing this is nonsensical. They simply wrote themselves into the Freemasonic story places themselves at the top. That's why the highest degrees of the York Rite are Roman Catholic orders.

I'll stop there for now.

 

[scuba]

Thanks for your response. You may want to look into the historical group Illuminati and its infiltration of Freemasonry. That may change your mind on a few things. If Freemasonry has been infiltrated and is controlled by the Illuminati and groups such as the 5%ers are off shoots of Freemasonry or have been heavily influenced by Freemasonry, then what does that tell you? If this is true which my research leads me to believe and Hip Hop itself is deeply rooted in 5%er teachings, then what does that say about Hip Hop?

Please stop this here... Folks are still talking about illuminati in 2013? The whole angle is at the same time nonsensical and a no-brainer. It really is detrimental to even waste time discussing such nonsense.

Yes, powerful people have through out all of history tried to shape the balance of power throughout the world. Further beyond that at times groups of like minded powerful individuals have allied themselves with each other to accomplish their aims. Of course this is a true fact, its obvious almost by definition. Whats to debate with that?

 

[blackslash]

This is the prototypical 5%er I was speaking about. Exhibit A. Long on ideology but short on critical thinking. Can spew random "facts" at a rapid rate but can't think logically to save his life. So rooted in the incomplete culture that is 5% (the Father NEVER GOT TO FINISH WHAT HE WANTED THIS CULTURE TO BE), that he can't think outside of the invisible box it puts some constituents into. And I never said Freemasonry didn't have flaws, so you're opening sentence, to refute me as if I did...was Now Cypher.


For the most part, you just said a whole lot of nothing, (to me at least...because you're right about some of what you said, and to a degree, I agree...) no disrespect intended at all. But I never said the white man didn't have devilish tendencies historically, or commit acts of atrocity unrivaled by any other major racial group. So all this CAPS LOCK FONT +7 shyt is o.d., God.


Reread my post and UNDERSTAND what I did say though. For one to claim to be the Original Man, and KNOW that Caucasians came from or after us (even WHITE SCIENTISTS/GENEAOLOGISTS/ANTHROPOLOGISTS ACKNOWLEDGE THIS) then why is it right or even relevant to label the white race as DEVILS? As I said. The Nation has it's bullshyt within it as does every other way of life. I can understand why though, being a black man. In the 60's while we were in the midst of HEAVY racial tension, not only was something needed (apart from Religion) to uplift Blacks, but to combat that racism we faced and make us realize we were better than the bullshyt they were forcing us to believe about ourselves, with a limited view of history taught with THEIR language. In turn, "it" (5%NGE) turned into quasi-defensive racism. I'm not with that. And yes, we know what Freemasonry is rooted in, but to claim that it's THEIR fault for keeping the public blind to the truth, when even pastors, theologians, etc know the truth, and still exploit the 85% for political and social stature & financial gain is more relevant.


There's numerous books in the world (dare I say millions), detailing the histories of most major religions, from a HISTORICAL, more FACTUAL perspective. It's not the Freemasons fault that the average human is Dumb, Deaf, and Blind. Some are so much so, that even if they were shown the truth, they'd still choose the bullshyt over the truth. At some point, you have to place blame on the ignorant individual for not seeking his own understanding. The blame we place on Freemasons is as if we think it's possible (or logical, after all these years,) for them to go on TV and proclaim to the world, the history of religion and the Black Man.



If I'm gonna build on P.E.A.C.E., it's gonna be P.E.A.C.E., and that's part of why the Nation is where it is today, in the minds of rational people, even those who aren't religious. Yes it was created FOR us, but there was never a stipulation made by the Father where he said Whites, Asians, Hispanics, Russians etc...COULDN'T be 5%ers. We just always had a problem with them claiming God, but as I said before...That's Now Cypher if it must be acknowledged that the Black Man is God, why not his seeds?


This is like telling someone that an appleseed, which eventually rotted, after coming from an apple that fell from the apple tree...didn't come from the apple tree itself and should be shunned. This is part of why in the 2010s, our culture is laughed at by outsiders, where if they REALLY KNEW what the culture was about, they'd take it as serious as it should be taken.

 

[A.V.]

Please stop this here... Folks are still talking about illuminati in 2013? The whole angle is at the same time nonsensical and a no-brainer. It really is detrimental to even waste time discussing such nonsense.

Yes, powerful people have through out all of history tried to shape the balance of power throughout the world. Further beyond that at times groups of like minded powerful individuals have allied themselves with each other to accomplish their aims. Of course this is a true fact, its obvious almost by definition. Whats to debate with that?

LMAO basically why I'm not wasting my time with this cat.


Then he states that I got offended in my response (offended? No. Dumbfounded that he brought up looking into the Illuminati? Yes)


The thing cats like him don't get is that while TRYING to connect dots with these ever so elusive groups like the "Illuminati" can be mentally appealing to those who lean towards fantasy and paranoia, there are much more TANGIBLE and ACCESIBLE culprits who are to blame for the same crimes against society and logic that they AREN'T going after.

Hence, why I brought up pastors, reverends, theologians, a lot of which KNOW the truth about their Religion's origins, but choose to feed off the masses by perpetuating the norm.


Some of these guys just don't get it. Spend a whole lifetime researching loose, dead ends, and overlook the SIMPLEST answer. All obscure esoteric facts, and no damn common sense.

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

I give you history and facts and you give me name calling. Come back when you do more research cause right now you not on my level. Take Scoobie with you.

 

[A.V.]

I give you history and facts and you give me name calling. Come back when you do more research cause right now you not on my level. Take Scoobie with you.

This is my whole point. You're trying to "outdo" me with "history and facts" and prove you're on a different level. Yes, that is more mature than name calling.
For one, everything you're getting off of YouTube, I've either read, heard from elder Gods, or studied, believed, and did more research then lessened or removed my belief. This still in no way addresses any of what the fukk I was talking about lol. You basically came in here spewing Illuminati propoganda for what reason?


I have absolutely no reason to intelligently respond to you. I came in, dropped what I had to say, and nikkas either fukked with it or didn't. I don't got the time to sit here & search YouTube & Wikipedia for obscure links that most BUILD POWERS wouldn't understand or look into in the first place. Ur "beef" ain't even with me or scuba, it's with the fact I'm not (and he isn't) wowed and wholeheartedly agreeing with your limited point of view, which we both view as "been there...done that."


You asked me a question. I gave an honest answer...then you came back on some "AHA! Well look at THIS! Did I make u mad? U sound like I made you mad!" shyt. When I in no way disrespected you or even gave the air of doing so. Lmao. Then you turn around in your last post and act as if you're above immaturity when you stooped to it in your first post. Once again...All random obscure "facts" but short on common sense.


Have a good day though, sir. Btw, I never called you a name, and history and facts are always subjective, to a degree. What's more important are the issues I addressed that you either failed to read or understand before coming back with your pent-up dissertation.

 

[Droopy]

link to RZA's book @Uncle Grime.

 

[mortuus est]

link to RZA's book @Uncle Grime.

its the tao of wu, i torrented when it first came out and lost it when my old pc died but their should be a link - http://www.ebook3000.com/muisc/The-Tao-of-Wu_63295.html

 

[Young/Nacho\Drawz]

My information stands for anyone who wants to use it for a reference. If anyone wants me to go into detail about anything I posted just give the word.