Comic book dude goes in on Spider-Woman fiasco and Feminists

[sun raw]

Girl please.

Your whole argument is basically some bullshyt that screams "we as women don't have control over the comic"
The comic isn't even sexual but you seem to think that if a woman drew it, it would be okay and empowering because she had control over the production.

Nah not really and I'm pretty sure there's nothing in my posts that even points to that argument. Actually it's pretty easy for a woman to create a piece of media that is, y'know, sexist. Happens all the time! There's a bell hooks essay where she talks about the positive (and negative) aspects of gangsta rap and then later completely destroys the movie The Piano, by Jane Campion.

 

[Greenstrings]

It's not about there not being a distinction.
A distinction exists but not in this scenario.

But you can't argue that it's sexualization when you have no other leg to stand on besides the argument that "we didn't create it"

Are you being wilfully blind to it?
Cause yup, no leg besides the storied history of sexualized female bodies in mainstream comic books, or the fact that the artist in question is known for his erotic art and based the figure on a earlier piece of work he did for penthouse.

I'm not moralizing here but we have to see things for what they are.

 

[Remote]

Are you being wilfully blind to it?
Cause yup, no leg besides the storied history of sexualized female bodies in mainstream comic books, or the fact that the artist in question is known for his erotic art and based the figure on a earlier piece of work he did for penthouse.

I'm not moralizing here but we have to see things for what they are.

This is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

No one is saying that sexualization doesn't exist.
And no one is saying that comics don't sometimes sexualize women.

But A) It also sexualizes men.
And B) In the topic at hand (this Spider-Woman comic), women are full of shyt.

But I realize that people will take a topic to all sorts of tangents to feel like they gotta get that online W.

 

[Lewis Black]

Are you being wilfully blind to it?
Cause yup, no leg besides the storied history of sexualized female bodies in mainstream comic books, or the fact that the artist in question is known for his erotic art and based the figure on a earlier piece of work he did for penthouse.

I'm not moralizing here but we have to see things for what they are.

Obama n chris brown lol?

 

[sun raw]

Are you being wilfully blind to it?
Cause yup, no leg besides the storied history of sexualized female bodies in mainstream comic books, or the fact that the artist in question is known for his erotic art and based the figure on a earlier piece of work he did for penthouse.

I'm not moralizing here but we have to see things for what they are.

lol I'm getting a Kurt Vonnegut vibe from the mustache guy

 

[Turbulent]

my opinion:

the critics' main argument was that a cover with a male spiderman in the same pose would never fly. this has been debunked. as far as her being sexualized. sure she is. But are we saying that it's not ok for male artists to sexualize female subjects?

 

[Grams]

@Raul don't argue with em they not making sense

 

[Deadpool1986]

Three women attempt to "scale a wall" and re-create the Spider Woman Cover Art to test how anatomically correct it is.

 

[Greenstrings]

This is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

No one is saying that sexualization doesn't exist.
And no one is saying that comics don't sometimes sexualize women.

But A) It also sexualizes men.
And B) In the topic at hand (this Spider-Woman comic), women are full of shyt.

But I realize that people will take a topic to all sorts of tangents to feel like they gotta get that online W.

The question at hand wasn't whether sexualization exists, it was whether or not its present in this context and all the evidence suggests that it certainly is. That isn't necessarily a bad thing and the fact that you think it is shows that you've bought into the very propaganda you're complaining about.

In almost every medium women are far more sexualized than men. But that isn't up for debate either.

And miss me with all that other shyt. We're adults putting forward opinion on a discussion platform, not Jehovah's witnesses at the door. Nobody is sitting here expecting to change anybodies mind about anything. If anything I've said isn't relevant to what we're talking about then kindly explain how.

 

[Diondon]

Feminists

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Looking forward to the day where my ears will pick up the word "feminist" and automatically begin tuning out any following dialogue.

I already have. In 2014, they replaced PETA for the #1 spot on my tune-out list

 

[The Electric Lady]

Did you not see the fukkin video? He literally posted a precedent.



Why don't you take the time to address the ridiculous view that there's nothing wrong with being sexual as a woman while at the same time trying to have the view that women being sexualized is somehow holding them back?

When Beyonce gets on stage and gives 15,000 people a goddamn stripper dance for 3 hours it's sexually empowering.

But a Spider-Woman comic in LITERALLY THE SAME EXACT POSE as the Spider-Man comic is sexually degrading and demeaning?

Please.

No, he didn't. He made a point of Spider Man having the same pose. That is not the same thing as presenting the same pose as being sexually motivated. But there's a big difference between a man doing it and a woman doing it. With women, there's history. More than that, the artist who made the cover makes erotic art and the pose for this cover was taken from one of his pieces that had a woman's out sticking out in public raw.

You want it one way, but it's the other way.

Maddox is fukking moron.

 

[CACarot]

I wish maddox never hopped into the youtube generation. His ether and anger was so potent in his writing, but now he lacks a passion and camera presence that translates to visual.

 

[Dwolf]

Are you being wilfully blind to it?
Cause yup, no leg besides the storied history of sexualized female bodies in mainstream comic books, or the fact that the artist in question is known for his erotic art and based the figure on a earlier piece of work he did for penthouse.

I'm not moralizing here but we have to see things for what they are.

I think in this case, you have to look at the context and source. One is a comic book and the other is a porn mag.

 

[The Electric Lady]

Its comicbooks, everything is over exaggerated including the men. What the hell does being black have to do with this thread

Spider man is not sexualized in those pics.

And blackness has to do with it because you dudes are the people who complain when white people make media that present black people in a very one dimensional light, but here you are, defending a comic book cover - a medium that has a HISTORY of sexualizing women to the point of hyperbole - with Spider Woman having her ass sticking out, and saying that's literally the same thing as Spider Man in the same pose. You are ignoring any sense of history or nuance and are acting like white people who ask,"why do black people care about race so much?"