Would you support a system of federally funded universities and colleges?

[Scustin Bieburr]

We have a real idiot problem in this country. People don't have media literacy, their actual literacy levels are trash, student debt is out of control, and people are ignoring post secondary altogether because of the cost.

So then what if there was free college? Taxes are raised on polluting industries and people with net worth exceeding 5 million. The revenue is used to fund the schools. Instructors are PHDs that follow a standard of education based on international standards and by law it must remain as neutral as mathematical equations. In fact, because other countries are producing thousands of STEM graduates each year, the schools will focus on that.

In all programs students are required to take courses on how the government works, legislation and on the historical context of anything they're studying as well as how that topic tends to be covered in the media. People will have to learn the historical context of discrimination in the country and how it affected their field of study. So your red state high school and elementary school might be full of white supremacist propaganda, but if you want to get a post-secondary education then you'll have to unlearn all of that and study actual history and how to think.

It's written into the law that funding for these federal schools cannot be changed for political reasons and it's non negotiable. Each state will have a campus so no matter where you live you can go to school for free after high school. If the school is too far, online degrees are offered.


Would you fukk with that or is it not worth it? The states have control of education, and if a white supremacist is in charge of the fed government they can pull federal funding from schools that don't agree with their agenda. So this seems like the most rational solution to solving the education gap, and ensuring America can become more competitive.

Also I'd add that the school is free for citizens but any immigrant that wants to attend will pay tuition that's comparable to an ivy league school. And these are schools focused PURELY on education. There are no sports teams, no stadiums, none of those other administrative and miscellaneous expenses.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

"So your red state high school and elementary school might be full of white supremacist propaganda, but if you want to get a post-secondary education then you'll have to unlearn all of that and study actual history and how to think."

Unacceptable due to this condition, alone.​

 

[MajesticLion]

Your entire proposal falls apart in your second paragraph and compounds that flaw in the third.


Focus on STEM
unlearn

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

"So your red state high school and elementary school might be full of white supremacist propaganda, but if you want to get a post-secondary education then you'll have to unlearn all of that and study actual history and how to think."

Unacceptable due to this condition, alone.​

If they don't want to go to the "woke school" they can either pay private and go to the school that lies to them or stay broke because of their commitment to white supremacy

 

[Eternally Jaded]

No need for that.

Increase taxes a tad, which then entitles citizens to subsidized education at state universities/colleges.

Do the same thing with Healthcare and you've established parity with various European countries.

Cause this ish right now is awful and unsustainable for the longterm

 

[Strapped]

It's not education op , it's how someone was brought up & how easily they can be manipulated. You'll see doctors & lawyers spewing nonsense on tv & online platforms . The United States is propaganda central , BS is indoctrinated in everything we do

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I really like the idea of free college paid for by taxing polluters and the ultra-rich. It should be open to everyone, no means testing or hoops to jump through, too. It's a practical way to tackle student debt, boost media literacy, and close the education gap as well. Plus, teaching people how the government actually works seems like one of the best ways to help create more informed citizens.

The biggest challenge, though, is the politics. Education is controlled by states, and a federally run system like this would face massive resistance, especially from states that don't want "neutral" or "standardized" curriculums to challenge their status quo. Even if the funding is locked in, there's still a risk that future administrations could find ways to sabotage it. Anyway, I think it's a good solution to so many of our problems, but getting buy-in from every state, or finding a way to work around the ones that won't cooperate, is going to be the hardest part.

 

[frush11]

In Argentina and Uruguay, their best University are their free ones funded by the government

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

I really like the idea of free college paid for by taxing polluters and the ultra-rich. It should be open to everyone, no means testing or hoops to jump through, too. It's a practical way to tackle student debt, boost media literacy, and close the education gap as well. Plus, teaching people how the government actually works seems like one of the best ways to help create more informed citizens.

The biggest challenge, though, is the politics. Education is controlled by states, and a federally run system like this would face massive resistance, especially from states that don't want "neutral" or "standardized" curriculums to challenge their status quo. Even if the funding is locked in, there's still a risk that future administrations could find ways to sabotage it. Anyway, I think it's a good solution to so many of our problems, but getting buy-in from every state, or finding a way to work around the ones that won't cooperate, is going to be the hardest part.

The value proposition for those states is that they spend less money funding schools in the state. It costs them nothing.

And if there are businesses near the schools, they'll get a stimulus from the increased student traffic. Local cleaners, gardeners, etc can be hired by the school and work on the campus. Contracts would he given to local plumbers, electricians, cement companies etc. To construct the school. The wins far outweighs any of the losses for the state that lets the federal school in.

 

[Strapped]

We have a capitalist system, the government gives money to their cronies for a service

 

[ItsPeople]

Are there people out here arguing that tertiary education shouldn’t be free?



Short bus riding mfs. Couldn’t fathom parlaying that free American university education into a lower cost of living country and eat like a king.


Y’all can slide your reparation cheques to me when they come in.

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

@Scustin Bieburr A portion of your theory has already been tested. When the government got into the student loan business, it because accessible to almost everyone. However, as more people gone to college, the "quality" of education has not matched it. In addition, it flooded the market with useless degrees and allowed employers to make job qualifications more difficult. If college becomes free, proposals on our capitalists society should be made as well although not completely eliminated. As for states controlling education, we have already seen them remove DEI and critical race theory because did not want to be bothered with it. Again, they give two shyts about the quality of American history in education.

 

[Strapped]

@Scustin Bieburr A portion of your theory has already been tested. When the government got into the student loan business, it because accessible to almost everyone. However, as more people gone to college, the "quality" of education has not matched it. In addition, it flooded the market with useless degrees and allowed employers to make job qualifications more difficult. If college becomes free, proposals on our capitalists society should be made as well although not completely eliminated. As for states controlling education, we have already seen them remove DEI and critical race theory because did not want to be bothered with it. Again, they give two shyts about the quality of American history in education.

Exactly, way too many people rack up loans on useless degrees like business administration & phychiatry .

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

@Scustin Bieburr A portion of your theory has already been tested. When the government got into the student loan business, it because accessible to almost everyone. However, as more people gone to college, the "quality" of education has not matched it. In addition, it flooded the market with useless degrees and allowed employers to make job qualifications more difficult. If college becomes free, proposals on our capitalists society should be made as well although not completely eliminated. As for states controlling education, we have already seen them remove DEI and critical race theory because did not want to be bothered with it. Again, they give two shyts about the quality of American history in education.

The key difference is they got into funding the schools and giving loans. Those are bandaid solutions.

A federally controlled school which is forced to remain neutral and evidence based, including actual history is different. The model would be based on what exists in other countries. States can believe whatever they want about white supremacy, but once a student enrolls in a federal school they either need to get with the program or give up their spot to a student who doesn't give a fukk about white supremacy and is willing to accept the uncomfortable facts of our country's history and contemporary priorities to get a STEM degree and start making money and competing internationally. Again, school would be STEM only.

We are losing to China and India as far as producing graduates in these fields. This SHOULD be a cause for alarm.