Why the 'Next Silicon Valley' Is Always Silicon Valley/Matthew Effect

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Why the 'Next Silicon Valley' Is Always Silicon Valley
Why the 'Next Silicon Valley' Is Always Silicon Valley - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic

Is there a city that doesn't want to be (or suspect that it already is) "the next Silicon Valley?"

New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Austin, Seattle, Portland, Denver: They've all professed their silicon dreams. A week ago, I was in New Orleans speaking at an entrepreneurship conference about the city's future as a tech hub of the south. For now, these dreams are tempered. It was widely acknowledged that before the Crescent City becomes the next San Francisco, it must first become the next Las Vegas. That is, if it wants the next generation's best minds, it needs the next generation's Tony Hsieh.

The idea that Sin City also fancies itself the next great tech hub might have struck someone from a few decades ago as a lamentable delusion conjured in an alcohol-induced stupor. Today, it's not so laughable. The concept of "Silicon Vegas" is still mostly aspirational—the city's leisure and hospitality industry is twice the size of its core white collar workforce in information and business services (the exact opposite is true of San Francisco)—but it's closer to a reality thanks to Hsieh, the founder of Zappos, who's embarked on an ambitious $300 million project to rebuild downtown Vegas as a haven for techies.


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Hsieh's quest might seem quixotic, but the idea of a single person or company catalyzing a city's economic development is historically apt. Great cities take time to become great, but one person or organization can be an inflection point. Vegas has Zappos. Seattle has Gates and Bezos. Boston has Harvard and MIT. Palo Alto has Stanford and Xerox PARC. Software-based entrepreneurship can technically be done anywhere, and yet it tends to cluster in areas like the Flatiron District and Palo Alto, because people who consider themselves talented apparently want to be where they think other talented people are. If the best advertisement for talent is talent, then all things equal, the area most likely to be the next generation's Silicon Valley is ... well, probably Silicon Valley. The benefit of being a magnet for talent doesn't wax and wane. It accumulates.

In sociology, there is a term called the Matthew Effect, which is the idea that most talented people get access to best resources (while the least talented people get the worst), so that what began as a small advantages over time becomes an enormous advantage. This is familiar with our education system: Many of the high schools and colleges that have the potential to make the biggest outcome in student achievement get the best students anyway. Very tall young basketball players, who are more likely to start for an NCAA team in the first place, get the highest quality instruction, redoubling their chances.

In the Matthew Effect, the individual acts like a magnet for small advantages that accumulate to provide a terrific overall advantage. But New Orleans doesn't need advantages that accumulate so much as it needs stars—brilliant workers and thriving companies—that grow and multiply. A new paper "Why Stars Matter" on the effect of star researchers who join university departments finds that wildly productive people actually don't make all of their new colleagues more productive. Instead, their most important contribution to the school is to help recruit more talented colleagues in the future. "Hiring a star does not increase overall incumbent productivity," the researchers sum up in the abstract (full paper here), but "the primary impact comes from an increase in the average quality of subsequent recruits."

In the entertainment industry, the power of stars as magnets is strong. The fact that HBO produces lavish dramas is itself a recruitment tool for lavish dramas, because if you're a brilliant show-runner with a cinematically complex TV idea, you first pitch the network that already produces cinematically complex TV. Just as great TV begets great TV, the converse can be true, too. In interviews with NBC's research department last year, an executive told me the network's decision to go cheap under Jeff Zucker a few years ago—i.e.: spending less on new programming, moving the relatively inexpensive Jay Leno Show to primetime—succeeded in cutting costs. But in the big picture it failed, because many of the quality show-runners with the best projects simply assumed that NBC wasn't interested or willing to invest in their show. The sociologist Gabriel Rossman has identified a similar trend in his research on Oscar-nominated movies. Since the Academy tends to award movies with multiple stars, it's only rational for celebs to cluster into certain projects.

Clustering is good news for San Jose, because the more talent you accumulate the more magnifying the draw to work there. But it's a distinct challenge for cities like New Orleans, who want to be top-of-mind for the smartest young college graduates, but currently lack both a national business reputation and a Tony Hsieh to suddenly import it. That's the paradox of star companies and people. To get to 100, you need ten. To get to ten, you need one. So how do you get to one?
 

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So what exactly is going on in silicon valley that is not going on in other cities with strong technology and IT markets...

I work in virtualization management and everytime VMWare or Microsoft has something new...something to demo...they don't do it at Pal Alto...

I worked in the R&D division of HP where just about every idea they will ever have for a product is birthed and tested...and it is not located in silicon valley...

I know all the big tech companies have their main corporate offices in silicon valley

But if I take you up and down Dallas Tollway, Plano Parkway, or the entire Las Calinas area...you will see at least 1 major campus for every major tech company...

what am I missing?
 

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So what exactly is going on in silicon valley that is not going on in other cities with strong technology and IT markets...

I work in virtualization management and everytime VMWare or Microsoft has something new...something to demo...they don't do it at Pal Alto...

I worked in the R&D division of HP where just about every idea they will ever have for a product is birthed and tested...and it is not located in silicon valley...

I know all the big tech companies have their main corporate offices in silicon valley

But if I take you up and down Dallas Tollway, Plano Parkway, or the entire Las Calinas area...you will see at least 1 major campus for every major tech company...

what am I missing?

you arent grasping the scale of silicon valley, take every thing in your city going on technology wise and multiply it by 50 times and that is what silicon valley is like
 

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you arent grasping the scale of silicon valley, take every thing in your city going on technology wise and multiply it by 50 times and that is what silicon valley is like

That is a sweeping generalization...

What great products have been birthed out of silicon valley? What great products will be birthed out of silicon valley?

Again, when HP releases a product, the guy who thought of it didn't work in silicon valley, the guys (myself and other people) who built it didn't work in silicon valley, when it was time to mass produce it, that didn't happen in silicon valley, when it was time to demo it, well that could be silicon valley but it mostly depended on the time of the year we would do it, if it was summer or spring, then the weather is nice everywhere so we go where we want, if it is winter, yeah...we going to cali for the weather...

Just cause their are a lot of tall buildings with logo's on them doesn't mean that something amazing is going on inside
 

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That is a sweeping generalization...

What great products have been birthed out of silicon valley? What great products will be birthed out of silicon valley?

Again, when HP releases a product, the guy who thought of it didn't work in silicon valley, the guys (myself and other people) who built it didn't work in silicon valley, when it was time to mass produce it, that didn't happen in silicon valley, when it was time to demo it, well that could be silicon valley but it mostly depended on the time of the year we would do it, if it was summer or spring, then the weather is nice everywhere so we go where we want, if it is winter, yeah...we going to cali for the weather...

Just cause their are a lot of tall buildings with logo's on them doesn't mean that something amazing is going on inside

that isnt a sweeping generalization, thats just the truth

what do you mean "when HP releases a product", HP is based in silicon valley

as far as i know just about every technological product in the US goes through silicon valley in one way or the other, if you work for HP that means you work at a satellite of HP

HP headquarters are in silicon valley, HP was one of the founding companies of silicon valley, HP is synonymous with silicon valley, do you know the history of HP?
 

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that isnt a sweeping generalization, thats just the truth

what do you mean "when HP releases a product", HP is based in silicon valley

as far as i know just about every technological product in the US goes through silicon valley in one way or the other, if you work for HP that means you work at a satellite of HP

HP headquarters are in silicon valley, HP was one of the founding companies of silicon valley, HP is synonymous with silicon valley, do you know the history of HP?


I can't put it in anymore layman's terms than what I did. HP has a "corporate" office in silicon valley. The REAL WORK, the REAL ENGINEERS who design and release products, do not do that out of a "corporate office" Mark Hurd was at the corporate office in silicon valley. The guy developing the next high integrity server is not in the corporate office in silicon valley.

Have you ever worked in a business / engineering structure before? A headquarters is where your big wig management types stay at. However, no real engineering work happens there. The real engineering work happens at an engineering facility. You go to the corporate office to rub elbows and get a pat on the head. You go to the engineering office to actual build things and do work.

Like I asked before, WHAT TYPE OF REAL ENGINEERING WORK IS HAPPENING IN SILICON VALLEY?

In essence, yeah, some figure head at silicon valley has to make some decision to either go forward or stop on a product. But do the engineers who built the product do it at silicon valley

It is funny every time i ask the question of "what exactly is silicon valley building or doing" I get these generalized "everything happens in silicon valley"

shyt when I was at HP, the idea did not even come from a silicon valley guy. I figured they could at least produce that.

Do you know the history of HP? Not the two guys that built it in their garage, but I mean the actual real history of the company? The board members? The companies they bought? How they design products?
 

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I can't put it in anymore layman's terms than what I did. HP has a "corporate" office in silicon valley. The REAL WORK, the REAL ENGINEERS who design and release products, do not do that out of a "corporate office" Mark Hurd was at the corporate office in silicon valley. The guy developing the next high integrity server is not in the corporate office in silicon valley.

Have you ever worked in a business / engineering structure before? A headquarters is where your big wig management types stay at. However, no real engineering work happens there. The real engineering work happens at an engineering facility. You go to the corporate office to rub elbows and get a pat on the head. You go to the engineering office to actual build things and do work.

Like I asked before, WHAT TYPE OF REAL ENGINEERING WORK IS HAPPENING IN SILICON VALLEY?

In essence, yeah, some figure head at silicon valley has to make some decision to either go forward or stop on a product. But do the engineers who built the product do it at silicon valley

It is funny every time i ask the question of "what exactly is silicon valley building or doing" I get these generalized "everything happens in silicon valley"

shyt when I was at HP, the idea did not even come from a silicon valley guy. I figured they could at least produce that.

Do you know the history of HP? Not the two guys that built it in their garage, but I mean the actual real history of the company? The board members? The companies they bought? How they design products?

LOL, i use to work at HP in roseville CA and i still got peoples there, and i work in in tech now, and a large bulk of technological products and engineering in the united states come out of silicon valley, you have no clue if you think otherwise you, there isnt anyplace else that comes close

the headquarters of HP or any other company has both corporate and engineering facilities, i have no idea why you would think otherwise, you are are misinformed i think
 

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HP Labs : Worldwide Sites : United States : Palo Alto, CA

HP Labs' worldwide headquarters in Palo Alto is perched on a hillside just a few miles from the famous HP garage that is known as the birthplace of Silicon Valley.

The spirit of invention that Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard brought to their garage workshop prevails at the Palo Alto lab, where researchers are pursuing advances in such fields as utility computing, business-process innovation, digital imaging, customized printing, streaming media and experimental economics.

At the same time, our scientists are exploring more radical technologies, including nanotechnology and computational bioscience.

The lab, HP's largest, is less than a mile from Stanford University. Palo Alto and the surrounding cities are home to a lively and diverse technical community.

Besides intellectual foment, the region offers sunshine and mild weather, nearby beaches, fine restaurants, bustling bookstores, awe-inspiring natural beauty and plenty of opportunities for recreation. Palo Alto is less than an hour's drive from San Francisco, one of the world's most popular tourist destinations.

servers are a mature technology that is probably why they let satellite offices handle it, the next level stuff aka the "real engineering" is in the silicon valley HQ
 
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but anyways this article is just an opinion, but it makes some good points about this "matthew effect" that we should take into account as we develop our communities and hopefully create a black silicon valley somewhere
 
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K I am done here...you literally just highlighted a bunch of buzzwords...

I don't think "pursuing" and "exploring" = work...people "pursue" writing a novel...and won't write 10 pages in a year...

HP's largest...come on...the size of a place or the number of people in a place is not synonymous with the production of a place at all

This thing right here went from a random idea to a full fledged datacenter in a cage in a lab that no sane person would describe as "large"


HP Integrity Superdome 2 Server
 

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K I am done here...you literally just highlighted a bunch of buzzwords...

I don't think "pursuing" and "exploring" = work...people "pursue" writing a novel...and won't write 10 pages in a year...

HP's largest...come on...the size of a place or the number of people in a place is not synonymous with the production of a place at all

This thing right here went from a random idea to a full fledged datacenter in a cage in a lab that no sane person would describe as "large"


HP Integrity Superdome 2 Server

yeah you are done, i just explained to you that server technology is a mature technology, meaning advances are incremental not revolutionary, that is why they pass it off to satellite offices

im sure you and your team did a fine job and got a good pat on the back from the HQ in SV, but the next level R&D is happening in SV, that is what those buzzwords mean
 

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problem with a new silicon valley is capital. All these tech companies I talk to need handouts i.e. Angel investors

yeah, but a lot of them still get that money and its crazy how non SV places get the :mjpls:

but either way i think if we (as in black people ) just got a whiff of silicon valley money it would still be a whole lot of money relatively speaking
 
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