Why Kayfabe seems Taboo Nowadays?

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It seems like almost every wrestling promotion relies on shoots, 4th wall breakage, and self awareness that the shyt is fake. Yet, I'm wondering why in the hell it has to be that way:mindblown:? Why wrestlers relying on shooting on another opponent via social networking to create a storyline, when it can go back to the basics? I'm talking about promos, backstage segments without it being "legit". I miss when wrestlers would get jumped or buried alive at the mercy of crowds. Thankfully, the booking of Braun Strowman caters to such things (hoss ass wrestler murdering wrestlers because reasons:ehh:)

I know this thread reeks of :flabbynsick:...but TSC we need to go back brehs:ohlawd:. We need that fukkery in our wrestling for old times sake without the insider shyt.
 

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Agreed, the shoot stuff is getting old. I don't mind it in small doses, but recently they've been relying on it way too much. And how is exactly is this gonna help BABYFACES like Enzo & Roman?
It just makes them look bad.

Exactly. It's getting to the point where Enzo can't even fully show off his new found scumbag gimmick without getting shytted on. Reigns on the other hand, I sort of respect his hustle but sadly he's in an wrong era.
 

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Everyone on TSC sold out for that wannabe rebel goofy shyt and everything has sucked ever since except the Bryan storyline and the recent runs of the Miz.
Punk has been gone for 3 years dude
 

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Double edged sword..


We're too smart for our own good now... The rise of social media puts them in a bad position. They'll give us something completely kayfabe and goofy like Jason Jordan being Kurt Angles son, and we'll shyt all over it because of how cartoonish it is to try to pass off something that absurd as real. We wouldn't think twice about this same angle in lets say 2004, but it's a completely different time. We see through the bullshyt and don't buy into it..


On the same hand, they'll try to give us something a bit realistic like The Miz calling out Enzo for real life shyt or Cena and Reigns bringing our actual gripes with them to tv, and we'll still shyt on it because "LOL WE KNOW ITS FAKE, WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING ITS REAL!!"



so yeah, double edge sword. Can't really please everyone... Gotta take the good with the bad I guess
 

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Double edged sword..


We're too smart for our own good now... The rise of social media puts them in a bad position. They'll give us something completely kayfabe and goofy like Jason Jordan being Kurt Angles son, and we'll shyt all over it because of how cartoonish it is to try to pass off something that absurd as real. We wouldn't think twice about this same angle in lets say 2004, but it's a completely different time. We see through the bullshyt and don't buy into it..


On the same hand, they'll try to give us something a bit realistic like The Miz calling out Enzo for real life shyt or Cena and Reigns bringing our actual gripes with them to tv, and we'll still shyt on it because "LOL WE KNOW ITS FAKE, WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING ITS REAL!!"



so yeah, double edge sword. Can't really please everyone... Gotta take the good with the bad I guess

Good post...Absolutely on point...
Shooting is a great tool for creating Buzz like the cm punk pipe bomb but yeah wwe is overdoing it now...but either way it's a double edge sword
 

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Double edged sword..


We're too smart for our own good now... The rise of social media puts them in a bad position. They'll give us something completely kayfabe and goofy like Jason Jordan being Kurt Angles son, and we'll shyt all over it because of how cartoonish it is to try to pass off something that absurd as real. We wouldn't think twice about this same angle in lets say 2004, but it's a completely different time. We see through the bullshyt and don't buy into it..


On the same hand, they'll try to give us something a bit realistic like The Miz calling out Enzo for real life shyt or Cena and Reigns bringing our actual gripes with them to tv, and we'll still shyt on it because "LOL WE KNOW ITS FAKE, WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING ITS REAL!!"



so yeah, double edge sword. Can't really please everyone... Gotta take the good with the bad I guess


Right on point, was just coming in to say this. We get mad at kayfabe shyt then complain when kayfabe gets broken.
 

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I honestly applaud wrestling for still being profitable in these type of times...


so much used to bank on kayfabe.. nowadays it's literally impossible to keep up with that type of facade. I feel like everyone knows how wrestling works at this point, even the children.. everything is just too accessible to expect differently..


Imagine being a child going on fukkin "youtube" to search Stone Cold Steve Austin, only to get back a million interviews of him speaking about how awesome it is to work with Bret Hart, and how much he respects Triple H and The Rock. I might not have stuck around this long if that was the case when I was a youngin. All your favorite rivalries thrown down the fukkin drain...

that's pretty much how it is today lol..but I guess that's why they adjust on the fly and try to work it into actual programs. I can't fault them for it

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there's one promotion keeping kayfabe alive
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Honestly, I think its because the company has no idea how to build anybody properly anymore.

Think fast: who was the last face that the company made into a superstar? Not a heel who got popular with the fans, but someone who was a face that got built into a main eventer as a face.

The answer you more than likely came up with was John Cena, right? He was turned face at Survivor Series 2003, and got his first big push to the main event during 2004 up to WrestleMania 21 in 2005. I honestly can't think of anyone they've successfully done that with since Cena, which is a terrible omen for their future ability to build stars (this is, by the way, the main reason why Cena's really the only guy who moves the needle when it comes to ratings and house shows: because they didn't fukking kneecap him for no good reason while they were pushing him).

What WWE's writers know how to do is build heat, and that's it. Period. Every single angle that makes TV seems tailor made to get heat, but never to actually build someone. And one of the easiest ways to build heat, especially with a smark crowd, is the worked shoot. This isn't to say that the worked shoot is a bad tool, per se (CM Punk used it fantastically, and if you listen to his promos, took great care to either NOT break kayfabe during his shoots, or to organically build a kayfabe framework around the shoot material), but it's very easy to use it as a crutch, especially when you're a. desperately trying to build heat and b. are dealing with a crowd that's smart to 20+ years of the same tricks. Bryan Alvarez and Lance Storm (I know, I know...) actually had a really good convo about WWE creative and heat on Storm's podcast about a month back that you should listen to, if you haven't already (start it at 30:45): PodcastOne: Bryan Alvarez talks WWE Creative and Cyrus Live from New Japan G1 in Long Beach and much more!!

Building someone up, on the other hand, actually requires that you make the crowd believe in whoever you're trying to build, which requires some thin veneer of kayfabe at the very least. That is what allows you to craft storylines and obstacles for your guy or girl to bump up against and overcome. If you can't craft a story because you don't use the tools of kayfabe, then what tools do you have left? Heat, worked shoots, and insider knowledge, that's what.

And the worst part about this is, it's not as if no one wants to engage in well-written storylines and kayfabe (see the best of NXT, the best of NJPW, and Lucha Underground for recent examples), you just have to actually work at it and plan well. But WWE always wants to take shortcuts and brute force everything, so here we are. :yeshrug:
 
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