Why does Bush get a pass for completely ignoring the pre-9/11 warnings?

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We already know about the "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN U.S." presidential briefing in August. And that counter terr0r!sm czar Richard Clarke canceled all his staff's vacations that summer because he knew something was up based on intel. Now these documents that recently got declassified are pretty damning. He really didn't give a fukk. He had Bin Laden in sight twice and did nothing. And was repeatedly warned that Al Qaeda had a clique of operatives in the U. S. but he was too busy playing golf. Not even saying they could've prevented it, but it seems clear that the intelligence agencies knew the deal and the administration were asleep at the wheel. It's disgusting the way they ducked responsibility and threw the intelligence agencies in the bushes.


New NSA docs contradict 9/11 claims - 9/11 - Salon.com

“I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released," an expert tells Salon

BY JORDAN MICHAEL SMITH

(Credit: Reuters)

Over 120 CIA documents concerning 9/11, Osama bin Laden and counterterrorism were published today for the first time, having been newly declassified and released to the National Security Archive. The documents were released after the NSA pored through the footnotes of the 9/11 Commission and sent Freedom of Information Act requests.

The material contains much new information about the hunt before and after 9/11 for bin Laden, the development of the drone campaign in AfPak, and al-Qaida’s relationship with America’s ally, Pakistan. Perhaps most damning are the documents showing that the CIA had bin Laden in its cross hairs a full year before 9/11 —but didn’t get the funding from the Bush administration White House to take him out or even continue monitoring him. The CIA materials directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks. “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released, because they paint a picture of the CIA knowing something would happen before 9/11, but they didn’t get the institutional support they needed,” says Barbara Elias-Sanborn, the NSA fellow who edited the materials.

Let’s start there. In 2000 and 2001, the CIA began using Predator Unmanned Aerial Vehicles in Afghanistan. “The idea of using UAVs originated in April 2000 as a result of a request from the NSC’s Coordinator for Counterterrorism to the CIA and the Department of Defense to come up with new ideas to go after the terrorists in Afghanistan,” a 2004 document summarizes. The Pentagon approved the plan for surveillance purposes.

And yet, simultaneously, the CIA declared that budget concerns were forcing it to move its Counterterrorism Center/Osama bin Laden Unit from an “offensive” to a “defensive” posture. For the CIA, that meant trying to get Afghan tribal leaders and the Northern Alliance to kill or capture bin Laden, Elias-Sanborn says. “It was forced to be less of a kinetic operation,” she says. “It had to be only for surveillance, which was not what they considered an offensive posture.”

“Budget concerns … CT [counterterrorism] supplemental still at NSC-OMB [National Security Council –Office of Management and Budget] level,” an April 2000 document reads. “Need forward movement on supplemental soonest due to expected early recess due to conventions, campaigning and elections.” In addition, the Air Force told the CIA that if it lost a drone, the CIA would have to pay for it, which made the agency more reluctant to use the technology.

Still, the drone program began in September 2000. One drone swiftly twice observed an individual “most likely to have been Bin Laden.” But since the CIA only had permission to use the drones for intelligence gathering, it had no way to act on its findings. The agency submitted a proposal to the National Security Council staff in December 2000 that would have significantly expanded the program. “It was too late for the departing Clinton Administration to take action on this strategic request,” however. It wasn’t too late for the Bush administration, though. It just never did.

Former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice has taken credit for the drone program that the Bush administration ignored. “Things like working to get an armed Predator that actually turned out to be extraordinarily important, working to get a strategy that would allow us to get better cooperation from Pakistan and from the Central Asians,” she said in 2006. “We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida.” Rice claimed that the Bush administration continued the Clinton administration’s counterterrorism policies, a claim the documents disprove. “If the administration wanted to get it done, I’m sure they could have gotten it done,” says Elias-Sanborn.

Many of the documents publicize for the first time what was first made clear in the 9/11 Commission: The White House received a truly remarkable amount of warnings that al-Qaida was trying to attack the United States. From June to September 2001, a full seven CIA Senior Intelligence Briefs detailed that attacks were imminent, an incredible amount of information from one intelligence agency. One from June called “Bin-Ladin and Associates Making Near-Term Threats” writes that “[redacted] expects Usama Bin Laden to launch multiple attacks over the coming days.” The famous August brief called “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike the US” is included. “Al-Qai’da members, including some US citizens, have resided in or travelled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure here,” it says. During the entire month of August, President Bush was on vacation at his ranch in Texas —which tied with one of Richard Nixon’s as the longest vacation ever taken by a president. CIA Director George Tenet has said he didn’t speak to Bush once that month, describing the president as being “on leave.” Bush did not hold a Principals’ meeting on terrorism until September 4, 2001, having downgraded the meetings to a deputies’ meeting, which then-counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke has repeatedly said slowed down anti-Bin Laden efforts “enormously, by months.”

For all the information the documents reveal, one huge matter is conspicuously absent: torture. There are nearly 50 CIA documents relating to such matters as the interrogation of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the intelligence gleaned from him, and yet “none of them were declassified at all,” notes Elias-Sanborn. “Certainly, the CIA has a stake in revealing what they did,” and they clearly do not want to reveal their complicity in war crimes.

One last thing is worth mentioning from the documents published today: Anyone with any doubt that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is dangerous to the United States is contradicting U.S. intelligence. “Violence between Israelis and the Palestinians, moreover is making Sunni extremists more willing to participate in attacks against US or Israeli interests,” the CIA wrote in February 2001. It is not the only piece of information revealed by the new documents that will be deeply uncomfortable for the Bush administration and hawks across the country.
 

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back then the cia, nsa, and fbi witheld info from each other... if yo put all of their intel together collectively then it probably would be easier to pick up.


but at the end of the day.. why not just give credit for pulling it off. they took years to plan the shyt.
 

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back then the cia, nsa, and fbi witheld info from each other... if yo put all of their intel together collectively then it probably would be easier to pick up.


but at the end of the day.. why not just give credit for pulling it off. they took years to plan the shyt.

This pretty much sums it up. The United States is bound to have some sort of blow back, from the all the coups that were staged in past.

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He will be thoroughly and rightly punished as one of the W.O.A.T for a lot of other things tho...so anything else before or after is just :manny: at this point.
 

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I think US intelligence agencies didnt take an attack on the American homeland seriously enough and probably brushed off the warnings. Anyone who was following international news heard the threats. In the summer of 2000, I remember reading in many international newspapers that Al-Qaeda was planning an attack soon and low and behold it actually happened. The attack wasnt a surprise to me....just the magnitude.
 

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The acts of the Bush Administration, if you are to believe the mainstream narrative that is constantly accepted, borders on criminal negligence.
 

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back then the cia, nsa, and fbi witheld info from each other... if yo put all of their intel together collectively then it probably would be easier to pick up.


but at the end of the day.. why not just give credit for pulling it off. they took years to plan the shyt.

This is true. That's why they streamlined it all with Homeland Security. But Bush got repeated warnings that Al Qaeda was in the country and was plotting something big and him and nobody on his team even paid attention to it. He gets a PDB every morning and one was headlined Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. and he wasn't even like let me look into this.

I only mention it because the administration maintained that it was some lightning strike shyt that nobody saw coming and that isn't the case. They took zero responsibility and completely threw the CIA under the bus and called it an "intelligence failure."

According to the new docs, they were briefed by the CIA senior intelligence staff 7 times during the summer, detailing that they had cells in the U.S. and were plotting, and Tenet tried to contact Bush but he was busy taking the longest vacation a President has ever taken. Kinda fukked up that they were asleep at the wheel them turned around and put ot all on the CIA whom they blew off.

That's why they tried their best to stonewall the the 9/11 Commission. I remember when Richard Clarke spoke. He was the only one in the administration who said he apologizes to the families of the victims for failing them. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc. were too busy being defensive and trying to prove there's nothing they could've done.

The right wing was so quick to try and blame Clinton after 9/11. Clinton failed to get Bin Laden and crush Al Qaeda, but at least he tried. And his team handed over a detailed plan to handle them to the Bush people which they completely ignored. Bush gets a lot of heat over Iraq, but he's escaped criticism for pre-9/11 for the most part outside of people like Michael Moore. He just got a 90% approval rating. If that shyt happened under Gore, I guarantee the right wouldn't have granted him the pass that almost the whole country granted Bush.
 

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You know they never thought someone could or would come at us like that. We're America the greatest nation in the world you fukk with us we'll nuke you to kingdom come. They thought we were untouchable until we got touched. Bush didn't get a pass on the criticism.
 

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Who what when where how and why. If you don't know the answer to any of those questions how can you stop a terrorist attack???

If Bush had come into office and said we are going to stop and frisk every airline passenger and start raiding mosques across the country, you left wingers would have gone into a frenzy. You guys already accused him of stomping on civili liberties and that was AFTER 9/11 had happened.

No matter what Bush had done, you left wingers would have been mad about something.
 

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I've never heard of Bush getting a pass anywhere.

I was just about to post this.
Who has taken Bush to task over completely ignoring every pre-9/11 warning outside of Michael Moore, conspiracy theorists, and the type of people who post on the Daily Kos?

He got killed for no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He's skated on the pre-9/11 incompetence for the most part.

Who what when where how and why. If you don't know the answer to any of those questions how can you stop a terrorist attack???

If Bush had come into office and said we are going to stop and frisk every airline passenger and start raiding mosques across the country, you left wingers would have gone into a frenzy. You guys already accused him of stomping on civili liberties and that was AFTER 9/11 had happened.

No matter what Bush had done, you left wingers would have been mad about something.

I didn't even say he could've prevented it. And what would stopping and frisking every airline passenger or raiding mosques have to do with anything?

I'm talking about Bush getting comprehensive briefing and plan of action on Al Qaeda in Afghanistan from the Clinton people and paying it no mind whatsoever while focusing on how they could fulfill the neocon wet dream of overthrowing Saddam before 9/11, cutting funding for the Afpak operations, getting a daily presidential briefing headline "Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S." and being briefed by senior CIA officials 7 times during the summer of 2001 about how Al Qaeda cells were in the the U.S. plotting attacks, ignoring George Tenets calls, and blowing this all off then going on the longest vacation a President has ever gone on in August. The dots were there regarding the hijacking in flight schools, no one connected them. You can blame the intel agencies for not properly coordinating and sharing the data. But it's also clear the administration didn't lead on this to say the least. They simply didn't give a fukk for 8 months...not even on their radar despite multiple warnings not just from the intelligence community, but the previous administration. They just didn't check into it. It was probably arrogance like some "We're the mighty America, no can hurt us shyt" like that previous poster mentioned...and a fixation with Iraq, who they already bombed back in March, I think.

Then after it was done, showing no contrition or admission of wrongdoing, just trying to save face, saying there's nothing they could've done, throwing the CIA under the bus and chalking it up to an "intelligence failure," and trying their best to stonewall the 9/11 Commission and any inquiry into what actionable intelligence was available pre-9/11.
 
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