Kilgore Trout
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Why do directors get all the credit when it comes to feature films but for TV shows, the executive producer gets all the credit?
Why do directors get all the cred in movies and exec producers get it in TV?
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They're 2 different formats
Kilgore Trout
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blackdahlia
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I don't know about TV, but look up auteur theory. Basically it was the idea that evolved during the French New Wave that the directors were the authors of the films. It's stuck around to this day.
In movies the director is putting his vision on the screen.
For the most part in TV the EP or showrunner has the vision and usually just hires directors to put what the EP wants on the screen.
BlackAchilles
Veteran
A film has one director whereas a successful show will run through a bunch of directors throughout its run.
just my thoughts
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I agree. I never understood why writers never get the credit directors do
Roman Brady
Nobody Lives Forever
I never understood how a director could get the criticism for directing a beautiful movie with a bad story
IT's what @Jello Biafra said: Normally in television, you're working in a system where the director is a hired hand there to carry out the vision of the showrunner or creator. Sometimes they're the same person but in the cases where they're not, the props normally go to the guy with the "vision" When you think about the Sopranos or The Wire or Breaking Bad, or even the Simpsons, the first names that come to mind on a behind the scenes level are normally the creators of the shows who just so happen to be the people overseeing the scripts and being in charge of the writer's room.
In film, depending on the film, the credit goes to the director because it's normally their vision but then you've got a situation like Marvel or the Bond series where it's producer driven, very much like a tv show. That doesn't mean the producers don't collaborate with the directors and let them have some of their vision come through, but for the most part, they're there to carry out what they were hired for.
Depends on the director. If you're a name like Ridley Scott or Chris Nolan, you're going to take the brunt of the criticism, whether it's fair or not. But also, those two guys in particular have a lot of sway over the script and the scripting process therefore sometimes the criticism is valid
Roman Brady
Nobody Lives Forever
Nolan has writing credentials so obviously I ain't mentioning the likes of him I mean someone like Antoine fuqua, say you found king Arthur seamlessly edited and visually stunning why is the fact it was a shytty movie solely on him when he had zilch to do with the story?
Actually. IF you direct the pilot of a show you get paid the most because you set the tone of the series.
TV DIRECTOR $25K-$42K AN EPISODE
TV directors, of course, are an entirely different species, and get paid in a different way. The base DGA rate is $25,145 for a half-hour episode and $42,701 for an hour. But unlike writers, directors sometimes helm all 22 episodes of a season — it's just too much work. But some big-name pilot directors (David Nutter, Jason Winer and Pam Fryman) get an executive producer credit and a stake in the show, which is how Bryan Singer is said to have made tens of millions for directing the pilot of House M.D.
TV DIRECTOR $25K-$42K AN EPISODE
TV directors, of course, are an entirely different species, and get paid in a different way. The base DGA rate is $25,145 for a half-hour episode and $42,701 for an hour. But unlike writers, directors sometimes helm all 22 episodes of a season — it's just too much work. But some big-name pilot directors (David Nutter, Jason Winer and Pam Fryman) get an executive producer credit and a stake in the show, which is how Bryan Singer is said to have made tens of millions for directing the pilot of House M.D.
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It's one of those penalty of leadership things. As splinter told Leonardo in TMNT, there are no excuses when you are the leader. Fuqua as the director, is going to go over the script and make sure it's tight where it needs to be and making sure it's good to go. The job of a director is to oversee all aspects of the film; it's one ship and you're the captain.
Roman Brady
Nobody Lives Forever
I think you are overestimating the amount of autonomy most directors (not in the elite) have breh. We all know before a film can be greenlit the backers have to ok the script. You telling me once they've hired the production team and it's go time ole Antoine needs to skim through the script and see where it needs changes because he's the captain? Nah breh he gets hired and he does the best he can do with the script presented
That's true. You're right. But perception is often different than reality especially in cases where we don't know all the behind the scenes blueprints
Roman Brady
Nobody Lives Forever
I don't know what that means all I know is only directors or actors with clout can have a script changed after all the hires have taken place and Antoine doesn't fall in to that category so the criticism he gets for the shytty movies he directs in some cases is unjust.
Steve McQueen to me did a very pedestrian job with 12 years, If he had won a best director award for that I would have been appalled