what would white culture look like in 2025 without black americans?

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But wouldn't their foundational culture be Western Europe? We and everyone else speak a European language; Christmas is European, Oktoberfest is German, St. Patrick's Day is Irish, and The Baptist church is English. I'm baffled by the assertion and the main question at hand unless I don't understand what culture is.
Those aren't WHITE AMERICAN cultures, the key word being American.

Oktoberfest is German culture, and St Patrick's Day is Irish culture; neither one of those is American, White American, in particular, cultural creations; Christmas is celebrated in numerous countries, first started in Rome, and I'm not biblical at all, but I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't born in America, nor is he believed to of white American heritage.

White Americans are culture vulturing when they dikkride white foreigners and their traditions.
 

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Jazz saved our lives and made people around the world feel human. Hitler tried to appropriate it and it just made people want the real shyt. Aristocratic Germans kids were wearing zoot suits making fun of him. It saved Django Reinhardts life too. Without jazz the anti blackness would be worse. It gave America an edge during the Cold War and America owes its “freedom” advertising of its country to Black Americans

You gotta remember also, the hatred of jazz not only helped create nazism but also the most popular form of extreme Islam too. The founder of it was angry at jazz but loved classical music :mjpls:


I didn't know that. :ohhh:



Hitler and the Nazi regime had a complex and contradictory relationship with jazz music. While initially banning and denouncing jazz as "degenerate" music, the Nazi leadership, particularly Joseph Goebbels, later attempted to appropriate and manipulate jazz for propaganda purposes 1 2 3.

Nazi Stance on Jazz​

Initially, the Nazi party viewed jazz negatively:
  • Hitler and Goebbels considered jazz a "democratic disease" that was incompatible with totalitarian society 1.
  • The regime loathed jazz due to its American origins and minimal contributions from Aryan musicians2.
  • Nazi officials imposed strict regulations on music, including prohibitions on certain instruments and techniques associated with jazz2.

Appropriation Efforts​

Despite the official anti-jazz stance, the Nazi regime made efforts to appropriate and manipulate jazz:
  1. Propaganda Tool: Goebbels recognized the popularity of jazz and sought to harness it for propaganda purposes2 3.
  2. Charlie and His Orchestra: The regime created a state-sponsored hot jazz band called "Charlie and His Orchestra" to broadcast pro-German propaganda to Allied troops2 4.
  3. Germanized Jazz: Attempts were made to create a more "Germanic" form of jazz music for entertainment and to boost troop morale4.
  4. Selective Tolerance: Hitler sometimes allowed elite German youth to have contact with jazz music as a way to ingratiate himself with certain segments of the population1.

This inconsistent approach to jazz ultimately weakened Hitler's control over German culture, as it created contradictions in the regime's cultural policies and allowed for pockets of resistance among jazz enthusiasts1 4.

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[1] https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1056&context=madrush
[2] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/hitlers-very-own-hot-jazz-band-98745129/
[3] https://mikedashhistory.com/2012/05/17/hitler-and-hot-jazz/
[4] https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/swing-youth-jazz-nazi-germany
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Nazi_Germany
[6] https://www.npr.org/2023/09/20/1200547564/swingtime-for-hitler-explores-the-nazis-use-of-jazz-as-a-propaganda-tool
[7] https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/1dkx7ve/did_the_nazis_really_ban_jazz/
[8] https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/4d50hi/how_was_jazz_banned_and_then_reintroduced_in/
 

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wasp shyte

country club big business

cowboy shyte

pick up trucks guns & liquor for the lower class crackers

basically the same old shyte they are on

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They don’t even have cowboy culture either, shyt actually came from Mexican vaqueros and black cowboys. Read and learn about the real history. Even banjo, the main musical instrument used in country music originally came from west Africa. The west African slaves brought it with them when they were sent to America in the colonial era.
 
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They don’t even have cowboy culture either, shyt actually came from Mexican vaqueros and black cowboys. Read and learn about the real history. Even banjo, the main musical instrument used in country music originally came from west Africa. The west African slaves brought it with them when they were sent to America in the colonial era.

strong arm robbery is also part of the deal

making fortunes off other folks shyte

yeehaw

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I'd urge Americans to travel outside their country and see how certain non American whites live. EDM, Rock, Indie, Folk, Country and their subcultures would be the norm. There people who don't know about American artists outside MJ, Whitney, Mariah, Snopp, 50 Cent, Drake that had massive Pop crossover.

Having traveled, everyone's pop music is Black derived, and has been for decades. Latin America, Europe, Asia...

EDM, Rock, indie rock, folk rock, and country all have Black American roots. (Now if you meant folk music, as in NOT Bob Dylan, that's European).

Europeans and by extension white Americans have Gregorian chants and classical music as their unadulterated cultural history.

But Swedish EDM doesn't exist without Frankie Knuckles


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