What would a liberal version of Project 2025 look like?

[ViShawn]

I think it would focus around the job market and getting people good paying jobs. That would probably solve some of the Healthcare issues and help with affordable housing since people will have income.

It would probably be modeled after a Scandinavian country. That would me higher flat taxes for everyone. Thoughts?

 

[the cac mamba]

probably the Green New Deal. and both are about equally as likely to happen

 

[Macallik86]

It would be the progressive's version of a wet dreams

• Single Payer/Government owning healthcare
• Take it back to the pre-Reagan era where everyone over like $300k gets taxed 70%
• Ban businesses from owning residential real estate
• Stricter rules for consumers
• Subsidies for electric vehicles, but also scooters and eBikes
• Stricter regulation and penalties for white collar crimes
• Reparations?

Basically taking from the rich and giving to the poor in various forms.

 

[Jean Jacket]

I couldn't imagine in totality.

I would think reparations, universal health care, non-violent offender clemency en masse.

I could see a lot of LGBT extremism as a downside...but DEI will be in full effect, so that's a plus.

 

[TheKongoEmpire]

It would be the progressive's version of a wet dreams

• Single Payer/Government owning healthcare
• Take it back to the pre-Reagan era where everyone over like $300k gets taxed 70%
• Ban businesses from owning residential real estate
• Stricter rules for consumers
• Subsidies for electric vehicles, but also scooters and eBikes
• Stricter regulation and penalties for white collar crimes
• Reparations?

Basically taking from the rich and giving to the poor in various forms.

Sounds nice. I wonder why it has been proposed yet.



Or has it?

 

[voiture]

Universal healthcare would be in there...that I know!

 

[Fillerguy]

Dem Liberals are champions of the status quo who mainly focus on protecting what rights we still have. That's almost purely legislative work, the realm of Congress.

Project 2025 on the other hand is almost entirely made up of Executive office plans.....it doesn't require Congress' approval to move ahead.

It's a difference of being proactive vs reactive. Example: The GOP tries to take woman's reproductive rights, Libs create legislation that protects reproductive rights. So then a right wing Executive office tries to stack the judicial branch with right wingers. This creates a scenario where future reproductive rights violation cases are tried by biased right winged judges. Or the Executive gets really loose on enforcing these new protections. We saw it happen in the 70s- 90s to Equal Protection laws regarding race, class and gender in our cities. Its happening now.


Ironically, the conservatives are taking the proactive approach to governing. Libs are too afraid of the S and C words to be proactive on anything.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

It would be the progressive's version of a wet dreams

• Single Payer/Government owning healthcare
• Take it back to the pre-Reagan era where everyone over like $300k gets taxed 70%
• Ban businesses from owning residential real estate
• Stricter rules for consumers
• Subsidies for electric vehicles, but also scooters and eBikes
• Stricter regulation and penalties for white collar crimes
• Reparations?

Basically taking from the rich and giving to the poor in various forms.

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Literally just this. The conservative play book is to build think tanks, use those think tanks to pay to educate people who support the ideology, then fund those people as they run for office in small districts. Rinse and repeat until you're in every city in every state. If even 30% of your candidates are elected it's enough to move the needle.

Buy up local news to parrot your talking points and give favorable commentary to people you're backing. Before you know it, you've got an army of judges, lawyers, politicians, media personalities, and influencers repeating your talking points and using their positions to propose policies that benefit your political goals.

Liberals in America don't focus on local politics as much as conservatives do. Whether it's the local police chief, or judge, they make sure it's one of their people. They build a base from the roots up.

We've gone so far to the right that ideas that should be considered conservative(a return to pedestrian and small business friendly city design, return to the same tax rate that helped build the middle class, returning universities to public funding, reinstating glass steagle act, banning gerrymandering, restoring the budgets of regulatory bodies etc.) Is now radical liberalism.

 

[I Really Mean It]

liberals aren’t trying to subvert democracy by overriding the instruments of government and law.

so, there wouldn’t be one.

 

[WIA20XX]

It would probably be modeled after a Scandinavian country. That would me higher flat taxes for everyone. Thoughts?

Good question.

I'm not sure if rank and file Republicans believe in project 2025, but party "thought leaders" and insiders probably do.

So rank and file Democrats/Liberals probably wouldn't believe in whatever the democratic elite believe in democrat pet projects.

Core Democrat politicians believe in a Clintonian America, not an FDR America. So Neoliberal (use the market) not Liberal (use government)

Fringe democrats believe in a Scandinavian style government. (which is just a greatly expanded social safety net)
AOC n'nem was trying to get this popping, but

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But nobody important really got behind it.

Project 2025 by the Brookings Institute

• A public option for health insurance and not universal healthcare
• Money for home down payments, but not a right to housing
• Money for student loans, but no bankruptcy relief, and college would definitely not be free.
• Carbon Tax, but not a ban on CO2 emissions
• Modest tax increases on the rich, not 90% of monies made after 10M
• Increased funding for key industries, no industrial policy
• Targeted enforcement of anti-discrimination laws, no reparations.
• Revisiting Asylum Claims, no open borders

etc.

It wouldn't be anything that would fire up the base, because the Democrats have too many smart policy people that care about expertise and implementation, but also stakeholders and shareholders.

Dems/Libs keep trying to work within the system, but the Trumps/Republicans want to tear it down.

Dems are not interested in expanding power or getting stuff done, if it makes other people unhappy...

 

[Macallik86]

Sounds nice. I wonder why it has been proposed yet.



Or has it?

My guess is the same reason conservatives are distancing themselves from Project 2025. It looks great for Democrats but Republicans will spin it to make it unpopular

• Single Payer/Government owning healthcare becomes government taking over healthcare. Obama used all his political capital just to get ACA passed
• Everyone over like $300k gets taxed 70% becomes Dems raising taxes on everyone (even tho it's false.... this happened under Biden already)
• Ban businesses from owning residential real estate becomes a bunch of commercials and lobbyist telling consumers to vote against it like the soda tax law in Chicago or taxing properties over a million dollars to pay for homeless shelters
• Stricter rules for consumers Same as prior one where lobbyist spend millions on ads to frame the convo differently
• Subsidies for electric vehicles, but also scooters and eBikes This was in the Climate Bill passed by Biden, but Joe Manchin wanted it removed and we needed his vote to pass it.
• Stricter regulation and penalties for white collar crimes This was technically a priority w/i Biden's administration: Biden and Garland Turn Up the Heat on White-Collar Crime | Washington Monthly

I think that some of this stuff is already in motion (hence why Biden is technically the most progressive president ever) but there's a way you can move when you have the house and the senate and the public backing you that really opens up the playbook. Obama had it in his first term for example.

 

[Mike809]

We gather the 1% at the town's square , and you know the rest.

 

[Apollo Creed]

It would be the progressive's version of a wet dreams

• Single Payer/Government owning healthcare
• Take it back to the pre-Reagan era where everyone over like $300k gets taxed 70%
• Ban businesses from owning residential real estate
• Stricter rules for consumers
• Subsidies for electric vehicles, but also scooters and eBikes
• Stricter regulation and penalties for white collar crimes
• Reparations?

Basically taking from the rich and giving to the poor in various forms.

you nikkas can drink bleach with that 300k 70% tax bullshyt

 

[Macallik86]

you nikkas can drink bleach with that 300k 70% tax bullshyt

The last level taxed at 70% was $215k in 1981

After inflation, that would be ~$750k in 2024.

The general point is that there will be no more running up the score re: money for the sake of money

Sources:

Value of 1981 US Dollars today - Inflation Calculator

How much are 1981 dollars (USD) worth today? This tool calculates the time value of money based on inflation and CPI historical data from the United States.

www.inflationtool.com

Historical Federal Individual Income Tax Rates & Brackets, 1862-2021

How do current federal individual income tax rates and brackets compare historically?

taxfoundation.org

 

[Apollo Creed]

The last level taxed at 70% was $215k in 1981

After inflation, that would be ~$750k in 2024.

The general point is that there will be no more running up the score re: money for the sake of money

Sources:

Value of 1981 US Dollars today - Inflation Calculator

How much are 1981 dollars (USD) worth today? This tool calculates the time value of money based on inflation and CPI historical data from the United States.

www.inflationtool.com

Historical Federal Individual Income Tax Rates & Brackets, 1862-2021

How do current federal individual income tax rates and brackets compare historically?

taxfoundation.org

The issue is the cost of everything else would need to drop. Making 1m to be taxed and dropped down to 300K isn't shyt with the inflation/cost of housing and debt load high earners tend to have