West Eurasian ancestry/admixture in eastern and southern Africa

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

West Eurasian ancestry in eastern and southern Africa (Pickrell et al. 2014)
I had mentioned this when it was in preprint form and now it has appeared in PNAS. The great advantage of preprints (and why I'm all for them) is that they allow us to look at research much earlier (about half a year in this case) and thus help accelerate the pace of information dissemination. One disadvantage is that it is sometimes hard to keep track of how papers change between the preprint stage (and there may be multiple versions) and the final published stage; perhaps we need a diff for scientific papers.

PNAS doi: 10.1073/pnas.1313787111

Ancient west Eurasian ancestry in southern and eastern Africa

Joseph K. Pickrell et al.

The history of southern Africa involved interactions between indigenous hunter–gatherers and a range of populations that moved into the region. Here we use genome-wide genetic data to show that there are at least two admixture events in the history of Khoisan populations (southern African hunter–gatherers and pastoralists who speak non-Bantu languages with click consonants). One involved populations related to Niger–Congo-speaking African populations, and the other introduced ancestry most closely related to west Eurasian (European or Middle Eastern) populations. We date this latter admixture event to ∼900–1,800 y ago and show that it had the largest demographic impact in Khoisan populations that speak Khoe–Kwadi languages. A similar signal of west Eurasian ancestry is present throughout eastern Africa. In particular, we also find evidence for two admixture events in the history of Kenyan, Tanzanian, and Ethiopian populations, the earlier of which involved populations related to west Eurasians and which we date to ∼2,700–3,300 y ago. We reconstruct the allele frequencies of the putative west Eurasian population in eastern Africa and show that this population is a good proxy for the west Eurasian ancestry in southern Africa. The most parsimonious explanation for these findings is that west Eurasian ancestry entered southern Africa indirectly through eastern Africa.

to whoever said that "east africans have a "mixed" origin" , that is pure lunacy..

it says here that east africans have admixture from 2700-3300 yrs ago, that doesnt mean that east africans have a mixed origin. that means that east africans have had some admixture thats is not significant to change the populations culture or phenotype. it merely means slight interaction..

sources: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/01/29/1313787111.abstract
Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: West Eurasian ancestry in eastern and southern Africa (Pickrell et al. 2014)

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

delete..

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

L3d-5, my specific haplogroup, is rare in West Africa. At least that was the impression I got from my test report. Honestly, I got that it was connected to Fula through google searches. I definitely could be wrong about that. I didn't know who the fulani were until I got my test results and I tried to trace it back to africa.


I wouldn't doubt that MtDNA I originated in West African, because judging from my own tests, North and East Africans seem to have come from a mixed origin.
Although, I carry a west africa MtDNA marker, I am very mixed, and, autosomally, I am very distant from Africans. I am only close, if you can call it close, to East Africans. How can I be close to East Africans and North Africans? When I have no relationship to them?

The only answer that I can come with is that East Africans are of a Mixed Heritage and they are NOT Fully "African". They certainly don't look fully African to me. Egyptian culture seems to have been built around imports from Asia: namely Cattle, Horses, Horse Drawn Carts and Wheat farming. These cultural imports were probably associated with immigrants. Egyptians were, like modern day North and East africans, a mix of Asian (west or central asian) and Native African, and that is what most DNA tests of African mummies have shown IIRC.

East and North Africans have Neanderthal Genes and that is impossible without Admixture event with West Asians because Neanderthals never made it to africa. So clearly there have been Admixture events in North and East Africa. Immigrants brought MtDNA I to Africa. It's not unreasonable at all.

Every study you quoted is 12 years old or older. A lot of things have changed since then bro.

Ancient west Eurasian ancestry in southern and eastern Africa

Ethiopian Genetic Diversity Reveals Linguistic Stratification and Complex Influences on the Ethiopian Gene Pool
http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(12)00271-6

Apparent variation in Neanderthal admixture... [Genome Biol Evol. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

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forgot all about this..

i was just searching thru my threads..

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

to whoever said that "east africans have a "mixed" origin" , that is pure lunacy..

it says here that east africans have admixture from 2700-3300 yrs ago, that doesnt mean that east africans have a mixed origin. that means that east africans have had some admixture thats is not significant to change the populations culture or phenotype. it merely means slight interaction..

sources: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/01/29/1313787111.abstract
Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: West Eurasian ancestry in eastern and southern Africa (Pickrell et al. 2014)

The mixing in east Africa is so recent by historic standards it didn't shape east Africa's past. As an east African you can see where the intermixing happened is usually related to coastal and trade towns. Languages like Swahili were born of this mixing Portuguese Arabic and bantu languages... While many Africans speak swahili a very small minority can actually be identified as born from this intermixing. Majority of East Africa's population was not impacted.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

The mixing in east Africa is so recent by historic standards it didn't shape east Africa's past. As an east Africa you can see where the intermixing happened is usually related to coastal and trade towns. Majority of East Africa's population was not impacted.

exactly..

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Again like I said on my Egyptian thread, Southern Africans most likely got slight Eurasian DNA from wondering East Africans and not wandering "Eurasians".

Also IIRC the Khoisans lived much more North back then.

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

Again like I said on my Egyptian thread, Southern Africans most likely got slight Eurasian DNA from wondering East Africans and not wandering "Eurasians".

Also IIRC the Khoisans lived much more North back then.

really?

sources please, do you know what this means bruh?..

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Most telling and important is that the ethnic languages and distinct groups of East Africa survived intact culturally and socially after they encountered these foreigners.

In Zanzibar, Mombasa and such ports you will find actual defendants of these encounters between foreigners and locals. It would be like what the Louisiana creole were/are to your average African American... A part of the whole but distinguishable on their own.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

really?

sources please, do you know what this means bruh?..

I rememeber reading it somewhere. I have to look for the source. Not like in North Africa but maybe a bit around Uganda or Rwanda. Towards Southeast Africa like Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania. Remember back then there were no Bantu's there. And IIRC Nile Saharans mostly lived on the Nile Valley.

Again I will have to look for the sources.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Again like I said on my Egyptian thread, Southern Africans most likely got slight Eurasian DNA from wondering East Africans and not wandering "Eurasians".

Also IIRC the Khoisans lived much more North back then.

The " chinky" eye trait common amongst some Asian populations is found in some south African populations. I am not familiar with that regions history but I know that much.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

The " chinky" eye trait common amongst some Asian populations is found in some south African populations. I am not familiar with that regions history but I know that much.

Epicanthic fold?

I believe that trait was a response to the climate.

 

[MostReal]

really?

sources please, do you know what this means bruh?..

in layman's terms what does it mean breh or imply?

 

[Im Kemet Rocky & I like penis]

in layman's terms what does it mean breh or imply?

it means that the current populations that are regarded as the original population of the certain culture/civilization must have been a different population...

which really indicates proof that, populations migrated all the time.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

It also states(which I've been saying for the longest) that Southern Africans only got slight "Eurasian" ancestry from East Africans and not migrating Eurasians.