Was Raekwon disloyal for doing songs with Jim Jones after Jims involvement in Twizs brothers death? I say yes.

Plankton

All Star
Joined
Jul 17, 2012
Messages
2,863
Reputation
1,810
Daps
10,764
Reppin
Bikini Bottom
I was doing a Raekwon album binge this week and when I got to the Shaolin vs Wu Tang album. I came across the song "Rock N Roll" with Raekwon featuring Jim Jones ( song is fire by the way ) and it hit me "Why did Rae do a song with the man who was somewhat involved with the death of Twizs brother?


Long story short for those who are unfamiliar, Twiz is or was a member of Raekwons group The American Cream Team. In 2005, Twizs brother Phoenix was 15 years old when he was killed by another teenager and it was rooted in a beef involving Dipset affiliates. It was alleged that before Phoenix was killed, there was a moment where Jim Jones was right there and could have stopped the teenager who shot him but didn't. A few years later the incident made Americas Most Wanted in which Jim Jones would brag on Hot 97 about being on the show. Twiz himself in 2019 would go on MReck TV and point out that the specific episode was about Dipset affiliate, Zoo and not about Jim but to brag like it was is some sucker shyt

This is the 30 minute MReck/Twiz interview. You can hear the fury when Twiz goes in on Jim Jones.




In that interview, Twiz also speaks on his relationship with Ganster Lou from Mobstyle fame. The impression is that Twiz and Lou are like family. The first time we all saw Lou and Twiz together was in the Game Over documentary in 2001.



Lou, who is considered a heavy hitter in Harlem, already had a beef with Jim Jones, that escalated after Phoenixs murder.


Fast forward to the year 2011, 6 years after the shooting incident and 3 years after the Americas Most Wanted episode. Raekwon has Jim Jones as a guest appearance on a song called "Rock N Roll" from his Shaolin vs Wu Tang album.






That same year in 2011, Jim Jones has Raekwon as a guest appearance on a song called "Drops Is Out" from his album titled "Capo".






Now here's the thing. When listening to the MReck interview, Gangster Lou's beef with Jim Jones comes off as some real street shyt where it would be an issue for life. Lou was also a rapper too but Lou would never do a song with Jim Jones, especially after the fact with Phoneixs death. Yet Raekwon jumps on not 1 but 2 tracks with Jim after the fact. Something about that just don't sit right. It even comes off as a sign of disrespect on Rae's part. It questions whatever loyalty he had with Twiz from the jump.


And in 2020, Rae has Jim jump on his live. And they are just chatting it up like they are the best of friends. Rae goes as far as saying to Jim that he loves him. We would never see Lou going live with Jim of all people, smiling and chatting it up like this, let alone telling him that he loves Jim.




Do ya'll agree that these blatant actions on Raekwons behalf, having a relationship with Jim Jones, is a strong sign of disloyalty to his relationship with Twiz? Because I say it is. Even tho Twiz gives Rae a shout out in the beginning of the full version of that MReck interview, I question what is Twiz and Raes current relationship because I'm positive he too has witnessed all of this and must be feeling a type of way.
 

Bugzbunny129

All Star
Joined
Apr 14, 2020
Messages
2,952
Reputation
1,211
Daps
7,000
I loved cream team and imo they were like an early dipset (banky santana aka “the real santana”). They had the american flag Harlem money vibe before them while cam was still rapping weird. Lord superb was also ahead of his time with chip.

Sad what happened. Idk what to think about it. Twiz a dope rapper. Last time i heard him rap was with ghost round p tone era early theodore but not after.


With that said. Idk. Twiz and banks left the rest of the harlem hoods behind to be the only ones to join cream team. This was a business deal. Wete they cool? Yes. But the rap business has no friends really unless you come up together. Rae didnt come up with perb, chip or twiz.

With that said. Rae is very political and works with guys like fat joe and busta who call him “his best friend in the game”… so take that how you will. Rae always had his solo political side. And then his wu side where its fukk rza for this or that. They make up every cpl years. When you friends with everyone, ya friends with noone.
 
Last edited:

Art Barr

INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
66,146
Reputation
13,167
Daps
92,447
Reppin
CHICAGO
Actually.

Since hiphop did away with gangs in nyc.
Plus had an entire cease fire.

I would hope knowledge and understanding would prevail in hiphop. As it once did before.

I wish brothers would revisit the pbs special on gangs in nyc.
Plus the original dawn of hiphop pbs special.


Art Barr
 

Plankton

All Star
Joined
Jul 17, 2012
Messages
2,863
Reputation
1,810
Daps
10,764
Reppin
Bikini Bottom
How do know that Raekwon was or is aware of Jim's possible involvement?



Your homeboys teen brother gets killed and the news makes it to Americas Most Wanted where Jim Jones' names is mentioned and Jim brags about it on Hot 97 and you aren't aware of Jims involvement? :comeon:

As far fetched as that is, there is absolutely no way Raekwon wouldn't have known by 2020 after Twizs 2019 MReck interview. Absolutely no way. I saw that 2019 interview but Rae didn't? Nope, not happening. Rae telling Jim he loves him all after the fact too? Nah, something ain't right.
 

MaxBundles

Veteran
Joined
Mar 24, 2015
Messages
11,830
Reputation
2,035
Daps
69,038
Jim never "bragged" about it. You hyping it. He mentioned it as he was describing the type of shyt he was going thru waving the Dipset flag, not on some gangsta I get nikkas killed type shyt
 

nieman

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 30, 2012
Messages
17,569
Reputation
2,415
Daps
34,729
Reppin
Philly
Yes it's sucker shyt. I would be very surprised if Twiz was on speaking terms with Raekwon.
From the handful of interviews I've seen of Twiz, he's always displayed the utmost respect for Rae.

And from what we've seen of Rae, he puts in a call whenever he has an issue with someone. One would assume they've had a discussion about it if it were ever an issue.
 

Mac Ten

Class of 97 !!!
Joined
Dec 15, 2019
Messages
8,815
Reputation
2,449
Daps
16,117
Reppin
B-More
American Cream Team was just Rae’s way of giving back… I don’t even they was homies like him and GFK and Nas


U know Rae ain’t turning down no features either.
 
Top