Was Mars Really Habitable Once Upon A Time?

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According to Scientists, that may be rubbish, friends.

New Mars theory cast doubt on planet's habitability - latimes.com

A new theory is pouring some cold — actually, some really hot — water on the idea that Mars could have been habitable in the past.

Planetary scientists searching the Red Planet for places that could have contained the building blocks for life look for clues in clays, which can offer some indication that water must have flowed on or just under Mars' surface. But a new study suggests that, at least in some cases, those clays might be a red herring.

A paper published online Sunday by the journal Nature Geoscience argues that such clays might have been formed in hot Martian magma rich in water. If so, that water would have been far too hot to support microbial life.

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The argument stands in contrast to two more common theories, said study coauthor Bethany Ehlmann, a planetary geologist at Caltech. One of them is that liquid water flowing across the Martian surface would have interacted with surrounding minerals, forming the clays. In another scenario, underground water warmed by the planet's internal heat could have provided a comfortable living before it got bound up in the mineral structure of clays.

On Earth, clays are remarkably good at trapping organic material. So if organic compounds existed on Mars, clays would be a good place to find them.

If either of the prevailing theories about water is true, the Martian environment could have been hospitable for life, Ehlmann said. Superheated water and magma? Not so much.

"The clays would form as the lava cools from 1,500 degrees Celsius," she said. "That would not be a good habitat."

Ehlmann and her colleagues examined clay minerals similar to ones observed on Mars that were found in spots like Brazil and French Polynesia where water vapor escaping from the Earth's interior formed bubbles in the magma, which hardened into pockets of clay.

The light signatures of these Earthly clays are very similar to some Martian deposits. And some — but not all — Martian meteorites collected here on Earth appear to support the new theory, the study authors wrote.

It's possible that all three models could be right, depending on where you're looking, said Ralph Milliken, a planetary scientist at Brown University who was not involved in the study.

"It's certainly a different take on trying to explain the origin of some clay minerals on Mars," he said. "It does have some merit, and alternative hypotheses need to be considered fully."

But he said the story laid out in the new paper doesn't explain why the Martian surface appears to have tracks cut by flowing liquid. Nor does it account for blueberry-shaped mineral deposits of hematite that scientists believe may have formed when water ran past them.

The Mars rover Curiosity might shed some light on the debate by giving scientists a close-up look at some clays in the lower layers of Mount Sharp in the middle of Gale Crater. It is expected to arrive in about a year.
 

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Would you want to live on that ugly planet, friend? You could move to phoenix arizona and get the same experience.


it is a solution to the overpopulation issue on earth. Seeing that your against abortion and hopefully genocide you would see this as a solution as well.
 

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it is a solution to the overpopulation issue on earth. Seeing that your against abortion and hopefully genocide you would see this as a solution as well.
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Thats a long way off. The only thing making the world overpopulated is private ownership of vast amounts of land that isnt being used for anything. We shouldnt be comitting genocide and aborting children so some demon can have 1000 acres of land while only using 2 acres. We have the technology to bring water anywhere but people are left to starve for demonic reasons. Overpopulation is a demonic concept in some ways because at the root of it there is a need to control a population of people who may one day become a threat if their numbers become unmanageable for a ruling class of demons who do not have their best interests at heart. Its so demonic, friend. :sitdown:
 

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Thats a long way off. The only thing making the world overpopulated is private ownership of vast amounts of land that isnt being used for anything. We shouldnt be comitting genocide and aborting children so some demon can have 1000 acres of land while only using 2 acres. We have the technology to bring water anywhere but people are left to starve for demonic reasons. Overpopulation is a demonic concept in some ways because at the root of it there is a need to control a population of people who may one day become a threat if their numbers become unmanageable for a ruling class of demons who do not have their best interests at heart. Its so demonic, friend. :sitdown:


I hear you but we need a shift in our human mentality for huge amounts of people just not family to live together and on top of each other. Some people just don't want that for what ever reason. War would stop if we humans came to more compromises.
 

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I hear you but we need a shift in our human mentality for huge amounts of people just not family to live together and on top of each other. Some people just don't want that for what ever reason. War would stop if we humans came to more compromises.

Compromises like what?
 

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Compromises like what?

share land and resources instead of taking or trading. Cultures that value personal space should either give that up or only have personal space for holidays and such. Also ideas should not lead to war.
 

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share land and resources instead of taking or trading. Cultures that value personal space should either give that up or only have personal space for holidays and such. Also ideas should not lead to war.

When i drove through Montana i realized how f'd up the world was. Miles and miles of green grass fenced off with 1 trailer sitting on it. There is so much land, everywhere for friends that will never fulfill its true potential. I believe the established cities we currently have are so improtant to certain sectors of America that they do not want people fleeing to go elsewhere. More major cities are needed in this nation instead of this sardine life. I believe this is why there is a false perception of there being too many people. Theres too many people in the same places.
 

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When i drove through Montana i realized how f'd up the world was. Miles and miles of green grass fenced off with 1 trailer sitting on it. There is so much land, everywhere for friends that will never fulfill its true potential. I believe the established cities we currently have are so improtant to certain sectors of America that they do not want people fleeing to go elsewhere. More major cities are needed in this nation instead of this sardine life. I believe this is why there is a false perception of there being too many people. Theres too many people in the same places.


i agree 100%.
 

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When i drove through Montana i realized how f'd up the world was. Miles and miles of green grass fenced off with 1 trailer sitting on it. There is so much land, everywhere for friends that will never fulfill its true potential. I believe the established cities we currently have are so improtant to certain sectors of America that they do not want people fleeing to go elsewhere. More major cities are needed in this nation instead of this sardine life. I believe this is why there is a false perception of there being too many people. Theres too many people in the same places.

we do need the land to grow food people just can't spread out. Unless we give up our supermarkets and just everyone go back to growing their own food. It is hard to balance human expansion and our resources. It will only grow worse as our population keeps growing.
 

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we do need the land to grow food people just can't spread out. Unless we give up our supermarkets and just everyone go back to growing their own food. It is hard to balance human expansion and our resources. It will only grow worse as our population keeps growing.

I know a farm when i see one and i alot of land is just being used for nothing. Have it to have it, friend. People dont want the government spending money to build industries in cities to employ vast amounts of people because thats considered socialism so we have to rely on private investors among our populace who seem to either go overseas or to the same packed cities. We're kind of stuck.
 

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I know a farm when i see one and i alot of land is just being used for nothing. Have it to have it, friend. People dont want the government spending money to build industries in cities to employ vast amounts of people because thats considered socialism so we have to rely on private investors among our populace who seem to either go overseas or to the same packed cities. We're kind of stuck.

so true
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