Vaccines really are causing health problems

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i guess alex jones and others were right :yeshrug: this is mainstream news


STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Emelie is plagued by hallucinations and nightmares. When she wakes up, she's often paralyzed, unable to breathe properly or call for help. During the day she can barely stay awake, and often misses school or having fun with friends. She is only 14, but at times she has wondered if her life is worth living.

Emelie is one of around 800 children in Sweden and elsewhere in Europe who developed narcolepsy, an incurable sleep disorder, after being immunized with the Pandemrix H1N1 swine flu vaccine made by British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline in 2009.

Finland, Norway, Ireland and France have seen spikes in narcolepsy cases, too, and people familiar with the results of a soon-to-be-published study in Britain have told Reuters it will show a similar pattern in children there.

Their fate, coping with an illness that all but destroys normal life, is developing into what the health official who coordinated Sweden's vaccination campaign calls a "medical tragedy" that will demand rising scientific and medical attention.

Europe's drugs regulator has ruled Pandemrix should no longer be used in people aged under 20. The chief medical officer at GSK's vaccines division, Norman Begg, says his firm views the issue extremely seriously and is "absolutely committed to getting to the bottom of this", but adds there is not yet enough data or evidence to suggest a causal link.

Others - including Emmanuel Mignot, one of the world's leading experts on narcolepsy, who is being funded by GSK to investigate further - agree more research is needed but say the evidence is already clearly pointing in one direction.

"There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Pandemrix increased the occurrence of narcolepsy onset in children in some countries - and probably in most countries," says Mignot, a specialist in the sleep disorder at Stanford University in the United States.

TRIGGERS?

Scientists investigating these cases are looking in detail at Pandemrix's adjuvant, called AS03, for clues.

Some suggest AS03, or maybe its boosting effect, or even the H1N1 flu itself, may have triggered the onset of narcolepsy in those who have the susceptible HLA gene variant.

Angus Nicoll, a flu expert at the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC), says genes may well play a part, but don't tell the whole story.

"Yes, there's a genetic predisposition to this condition, but that alone cannot explain these cases," he said. "There was also something to do with receiving this specific vaccination. Whether it was the vaccine plus the genetic disposition alone or a third factor as well - like another infection - we simply do not know yet."

GSK is funding a study in Canada, where its adjuvanted vaccine Arepanrix, similar to Pandemrix, was used during the 2009-2010 pandemic. The study won't be completed until 2014, and some experts fear it may not shed much light since the vaccines were similar but not precisely the same.

It all leaves this investigation with far more questions than answers, and a lot more research ahead.
 

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Do we have a total number of people affected by this disease relatively to people vaccined in order to rationalize this ?
- First of all, it's not sure that the very vaccine is the trigger itself as stated in this article (here for the link : Reuters article) ;
- Second if it does, there may be a genetic predisposition in some vaccined that may have led to this, which may minimize it's role in this ;
- Third, 800 of how many vaccined are affected by this ? It's important I think, not to downsize the issue, but to have a global view of it : if it's 800/1,000, that's dramatic, if it's 800/1,000,000, it's, unfortunately, an epiphenomenon...

I mean, a vaccine is the injection of a something usually made from a weakened toxin or microbe to boost the immune system. Yeah, there may have some people that are hurt by this, but if a huge majority aren't, where's the problem ? Zero-risk never exists.
 

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I have narcolepsy. I don't think I ever had a flu shot. :manny:

I can say it has historically been under-diagnosed, and increased awareness and subsequent diagnosis could absolutely account for much of the increase in cases.
 

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Do we have a total number of people affected by this disease relatively to people vaccined in order to rationalize this ?
- First of all, it's not sure that the very vaccine is the trigger itself as stated in this article (here for the link : Reuters article) ;
- Second if it does, there may be a genetic predisposition in some vaccined that may have led to this, which may minimize it's role in this ;
- Third, 800 of how many vaccined are affected by this ? It's important I think, not to downsize the issue, but to have a global view of it : if it's 800/1,000, that's dramatic, if it's 800/1,000,000, it's, unfortunately, an epiphenomenon...

I mean, a vaccine is the injection of a something usually made from a weakened toxin or microbe to boost the immune system. Yeah, there may have some people that are hurt by this, but if a huge majority aren't, where's the problem ? Zero-risk never exists.

This is really what it comes down to. Agencies never say there is no risk. Any time you take a medication you've never used before, you're always risking some negative side effects, some of which can be debilitating. The tinfoilers that think they are exposing some grand secret by pointing that out are being stupid, and those who think that the vaccine should be taken off the market completely because a small minority suffer these side effects are also not thinking straight.
 

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This is really what it comes down to. Agencies never say there is no risk. Any time you take a medication you've never used before, you're always risking some negative side effects, some of which can be debilitating. The tinfoilers that think they are exposing some grand secret by pointing that out are being stupid, and those who think that the vaccine should be taken off the market completely because a small minority suffer these side effects are also not thinking straight.

This pretty much, without a working flu vaccine shyt would be pretty terrible without a doubt so :yeshrug: it is what it is.
 

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Idiots on sohh taking all them vaccines were poppin mad shyt like cats were crazy for rejecting this garbage. And you'll still go get that wack ass flu shot even if they tell you um hey theres mercury in this. Pathetic.
 

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This is really what it comes down to. Agencies never say there is no risk. Any time you take a medication you've never used before, you're always risking some negative side effects, some of which can be debilitating. The tinfoilers that think they are exposing some grand secret by pointing that out are being stupid, and those who think that the vaccine should be taken off the market completely because a small minority suffer these side effects are also not thinking straight.
This pretty much, without a working flu vaccine shyt would be pretty terrible without a doubt so :yeshrug: it is what it is.






Arent you for gun control though?
 

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Arent you for gun control though?
I'd like for it to be controlled better, closing the gun show loophole for one and more enforced registration. Basically more regulation. I'd also prefer to see military style rifles with high magazine capacity banned for civilians, but whatever. The situations arent comparable anyway. Vaccines have an obvious benefit; preventing the outbreak and spread of epidemics and eventually pandemics. Guns exist for killing, and the whole argument that they prevent the tyranny of the state seems to be flimsy given how tyrannical our state is in the first place to me.
 

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I'd like for it to be controlled better, closing the gun show loophole for one and more enforced registration. Basically more regulation. I'd also prefer to see military style rifles with high magazine capacity banned for civilians, but whatever. The situations arent comparable anyway. Vaccines have an obvious benefit; preventing the outbreak and spread of epidemics and eventually pandemics. Guns exist for killing, and the whole argument that they prevent the tyranny of the state seems to be flimsy given how tyrannical our state is in the first place to me.

They are very comparable. Guns save lives just like vaccines do. One eliminates germs the other eliminates bad guys, when in the hands of a good guy. They shouldnt be taken out of the hands of adults because a small minority suffer at the hands of bad guys who are also not thinking straight.

More people die from vaccinations then die in school shootings but the guns are what we should police more? :why:


Your logic is so jaded and agenda'd here.
 

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More people die from vaccinations then die in school shootings but the guns are what we should police more? :why:


Your logic is so jaded and agenda'd here.
How about you compare death by vaccinations and death by guns (instead of "shool shootings") so it can be a little more logical ?
 

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How about you compare death by vaccinations and death by guns (instead of "shool shootings") so it can be a little more logical ?

Thats hard to say because alot of people who got shot deserved it. How many kids deserve to die from vaccines?
 

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Thats hard to say because alot of people who got shot deserved it. How many kids deserve to die from vaccines?

:dwillhuh: also i didnt say they should be taken away, just regulated to a higher degree, with buyback programs etc.
 

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:dwillhuh: also i didnt say they should be taken away, just regulated to a higher degree, with buyback programs etc.

It doesnt seem like an issue worth ruffling any feathers for you. If all assaults r were banned and then they said well we noticed that most these incidients occur because of handguns so we're gonna take them too. I doubt ud say much of anything and probably defend the position of the liberals who proposed it.
 
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