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Vince was perfectly fine with WCW overpaying wrestlers and free agents, because he knew what the outcome would eventually be.

No he didn't. WWE was losing money in '95-'96 and booking shows in bingo halls. People talk about low attendance but those years were really low... WWE was damn near going out of business.

He couldn't afford to pay the wrestlers anymore. Nash, Hall, Bret, Jarrett, even Michaels was nearly signed. Vince plain got better with creative, got edgier, learned some things about booking for the 90s with Heyman and struck gold with WCW releasing Stunning Steve and The Rock becoming a generational talent. At the same time Hogan, Bischoff and then Russo ruined WCW.
 

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I highly doubt is true, if so then it would be stupid on the WWEs part. Vince was perfectly fine with WCW overpaying wrestlers and free agents, because he knew what the outcome would eventually be. If AEW wants to pay KO 6-7mil a year when his contract expires then by all means let them.
Only person he did that with was Bret Hart
 

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No he didn't. WWE was losing money in '95-'96 and booking shows in bingo halls. People talk about low attendance but those years were really low... WWE was damn near going out of business.

He couldn't afford to pay the wrestlers anymore. Nash, Hall, Bret, Jarrett, even Michaels was nearly signed. Vince plain got better with creative, got edgier, learned some things about booking for the 90s with Heyman and struck gold with WCW releasing Stunning Steve and The Rock becoming a generational talent. At the same time Hogan, Bischoff and then Russo ruined WCW.
WWE was doing desperation level cost cutting moves back in those days. Like telling people they can’t send paper memos anymore.
 

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No he didn't. WWE was losing money in '95-'96 and booking shows in bingo halls. People talk about low attendance but those years were really low... WWE was damn near going out of business.

He couldn't afford to pay the wrestlers anymore. Nash, Hall, Bret, Jarrett, even Michaels was nearly signed. Vince plain got better with creative, got edgier, learned some things about booking for the 90s with Heyman and struck gold with WCW releasing Stunning Steve and The Rock becoming a generational talent. At the same time Hogan, Bischoff and then Russo ruined WCW.
How do you think Tony is offering all of these massive contracts? Vince could've done the same thing if he wanted, but it's financially stupid to do it. You saw him give certain wrestlers new contracts when AEW debuted, and then released them shortly after.
 

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How do you think Tony is offering all of these massive contracts? Vince could've done the same thing if he wanted, but it's financially stupid to do it. You saw him give certain wrestlers new contracts when AEW debuted, and then released them shortly after.
Cornette and others on staff around then have said the WWF nearly going out of business like people on the outside think for whatever reason is false.

They were leaner years and Vince offered never guaranteed money like WCW but they weren't in danger of going way. Similar time frame Vince gave Bret the largest contract in wrestling history, decided he didn't want Bret at that price and told him to go back to WCW and play them against WWF again. Point is nobody actually knows WWF's financials, only thing we have to go on are stories about copy paper in the office while Vince flew in expensive jets and spent hundreds on haircuts. But it's documented he's told wrestlers to use us to get more money from them, you are right with that.

But Vince was looking out more for his own business model than strategically plotting against WCW imo. For the same reason he didn't buy Flair, NWO etc when he bought WCW. They would've been making more than Rock & Austin and he would've lost control of the salary scale so he let Turner pay them out

Now, you're talking about somebody that doesn't have much concept of money because he's spent someone else's his whole life. Otherwise the thing would've been shut down by now, businesses don't go 5 years without profit unless you have more money than sense. Can't really checkmate him that way.
 

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Looks like WWE is largely getting rid of domestic house shows. Cody only listed two in his schedule.

So I went to the WWE website to see their upcoming dates, they are indeed only doing two house shows in September.

In October and November, the only house shows listed they are doing are in Europe.

In December the only one listed thus far is the one on the 28th.

That means just three house shows in the US for the last four months of the calendar year.

 
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How do you think Tony is offering all of these massive contracts? Vince could've done the same thing if he wanted, but it's financially stupid to do it. You saw him give certain wrestlers new contracts when AEW debuted, and then released them shortly after.

TK is a legit billionaire, I think that's where it's different from WCW. Ted wasn't in charge anymore when WCW went out of business. People joke about "it's his Dad's money..." but it's not.. TK himself is also a billionaire. I assume that's where the money is coming from. If they are operating at a loss, I don't know what that means. TK implied that the next TV deal is very important to the future of AEW and I think what he meant was he wasn't going to "foot the bill" on some of these costs forever but he also said that he could continue to spend like crazy for the next ten years if he wanted..

That remains to be seen. My point on Vince was by the time 1996 rolled around the company was in real financial struggle and that's why he was losing everyone to Ted Turner. He wasn't choosing to not re-sign Diesel and Razor Roman. He wanted to keep Bret but when reality set in, he knew he couldn't afford him anymore and he did tell Bret to take the WCW money but again it all came down to WWF being in financial ruin at the time.
 

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This doesn't mean they are getting rid of domestic Live Events, they are just likely slowing them down because it's closer to the end of the year, so Holidays are a factor and they have many more planned for the International market, can't run your talent into the ground. Plus SuperShows are a Raw/SD combo card.

I'm sure they will pick back up at the beginning of the year for their Road to RR/WM season.
 
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TK is a legit billionaire, I think that's where it's different from WCW. Ted wasn't in charge anymore when WCW went out of business. People joke about "it's his Dad's money..." but it's not.. TK himself is also a billionaire. I assume that's where the money is coming from. If they are operating at a loss, I don't know what that means. TK implied that the next TV deal is very important to the future of AEW and I think what he meant was he wasn't going to "foot the bill" on some of these costs forever but he also said that he could continue to spend like crazy for the next ten years if he wanted..

That remains to be seen. My point on Vince was by the time 1996 rolled around the company was in real financial struggle and that's why he was losing everyone to Ted Turner. He wasn't choosing to not re-sign Diesel and Razor Roman. He wanted to keep Bret but when reality set in, he knew he couldn't afford him anymore and he did tell Bret to take the WCW money but again it all came down to WWF being in financial ruin at the time.
Again dude got F U money this isn't an WCW situation at all. Doesn't mean hes footing bills or anything "forever" but him paying talent isn't the same as the WCW Nash, Hogan situation because he can afford it and it seems like he's just paying wrestlers what they should be paid in 2024.
 
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Otherwise the thing would've been shut down by now, businesses don't go 5 years without profit unless you have more money than sense. Can't really checkmate him that way.

Actually, they do.... all the time. As someone who has invested in several startup companies in the stock market, it's potential growth and sustained growth that you are going to be more interested in than whether the company is operating in the black.

People will say "well, attendance is down and ratings are down so clearly they stopped growing." Right? But the revenue growth for AEW is actually up..

If they were a publicly traded company things like attendance being down would be worrisome but things like revenue growing and a potential TV deal upcoming would have more importance placed on them.

Also... this isn't the AEW thread, this conversation would be better served in one of those....
 

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Actually, they do.... all the time. As someone who has invested in several startup companies in the stock market, it's potential growth and sustained growth that you are going to be more interested in than whether the company is operating in the black.

People will say "well, attendance is down and ratings are down so clearly they stopped growing." Right? But the revenue growth for AEW is actually up..

If they were a publicly traded company things like attendance being down would be worrisome but things like revenue growing and a potential TV deal upcoming would have more importance placed on them.

Also... this isn't the AEW thread, this conversation would be better served in one of those....
Apple operated at a loss for over an decade until the imac dropped.
 
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