TONY KHAN STINKS! ("WBD OWNS A PERCENTAGE OF AEW." - DAVE MELTZER; RICKY STARKS HOSTAGE TIL SUMMER 2025; DYNAMITE NO MILLION WATCH: 645 DAYS/92 WEEKS)

[Finn Baller]

also TNA lost their national TV deal because Spike found out that Vince Russo was still secretly working for TNA after they told Dixie Carter to get rid of him, that had nothing to do with Bischoff

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

WCW would have survived if they weren't bleeding so much money. Incoming executives view that as an eyesore. $70M in losses is too much to justify trying to keep it and turn things around. It was too far gone by that point.

TNA is around yes but they do not have a national footprint. TNA got their national footprint without Bischoff and Hogan... They lost it after they tanked creative.

Nobody said you have to debate. You can always ignore.

Lol you could do the same thing, but here we are.

• WCW wouldn't have survived because the gates during the 92/93ish time was diminishing
• Bischoff made that promotion stand out and actually went against WWF
• The only reason why WCW was "bleeding money" was because of crazy contracts, mismanagement of funds, and etc (of course that was going to be the loophole for the AOL/Turner merger to happen)
• WCW would have been still in the game if the AOL/Turner situation never happened
• If TNA was thriving, why they needed Hoegan and Bischoff to turn a gate and pop a rating

Look I get it, you defending the honor of AEW, as they are underdogs of some sort. I understand, but to trash a promotor that actually took a promotion on the verge of dying, and somehow made them turn a profit times ten within a few months is revolutionary.

But go ahead and cut up my posts, to start up drama.

I'm just stating reality no biases at all.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

every bet proposed to you you've ran away like a bytch and then offered up some dumbass deal that doesn't even make any logical sense

still haven't produced any tangible proof you made money off your mediocre ass 49ers either

It makes perfect sense. The only reason people in here including you say it doesn't make sense is because you don't want me cleaning out 20% of TSC in one move

What "proof" do you need to see? I was in the thread before the game even started talking about taking the -6.5 on Buffalo. Go read the thread. Or don't, I don't care

 

[Finn Baller]

Lol you could do the same thing, but here we are.

• WCW wouldn't have survived because the gates during the 92/93ish time was diminishing
• Bischoff made that promotion stand out and actually went against WWF
• The only reason why WCW was "bleeding money" was because of crazy contracts, mismanagement of funds, and etc (of course that was going to be the loophole for the AOL/Turner merger to happen)
• WCW would have been still in the game if the AOL/Turner situation never happened
• If TNA was thriving, why they needed Hoegan and Bischoff to turn a gate and pop a rating

Look I get it, you defending the honor of AEW, as they are underdogs of some sort. I understand, but to trash a promotor that actually took a promotion on the verge of dying, and somehow made them turn a profit times ten within a few months is revolutionary.

But go ahead and cut up my posts, to start up drama.

I'm just stating reality no biases at all.

has nothing to do with AEW being underdogs and everything to do with defending the flop CEO's new work place and also the fact the (mostly white) AEW fanbase on here are the only ones who tolerate him anymore so he has to try and stay in their good graces, it's why he never once came at Cattle with the same smoke he does for everybody in here and never checked him at all for his race baiting

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Lol you could do the same thing, but here we are.

• WCW wouldn't have survived because the gates during the 92/93ish time was diminishing
• Bischoff made that promotion stand out and actually went against WWF
• The only reason why WCW was "bleeding money" was because of crazy contracts, mismanagement of funds, and etc (of course that was going to be the loophole for the AOL/Turner merger to happen)
• WCW would have been still in the game if the AOL/Turner situation never happened
• If TNA was thriving, why they needed Hoegan and Bischoff to turn a gate and pop a rating

Look I get it, you defending the honor of AEW, as they are underdogs of some sort. I understand, but to trash a promotor that actually took a promotion on the verge of dying, and somehow made them turn a profit times ten within a few months is revolutionary.

But go ahead and cut up my posts, to start up drama.

I'm just stating reality no biases at all.

I'm stating reality too. I gave Bischoff some credit for those things that @Pull Up the Roots already pointed out. We had already discussed that. The problem is... unlike that poster.... y'all refuse to talk about how Bischoff is the reason they were bleeding money like that.

$70M in losses in one year. You said yourself, it was because of the crazy contracts and the mismanagement of funds.. It was also because Bischoff was hot-shotting angles on TV every week and their PPV business was mostly trash after a while because nothing meant anything anymore creatively..

He was doing all that to try to pop a rating and not looking at how it would impact the future. Crazy contracts, mismanaging money, fukking up the creative long term.... that's all on Bischoff...

TNA was already built... the TNA originals put them on the map. They already had the deal with Spike TV etc... When Bischoff and Hogan came in they completely sank the promotion creatively and ended up with worse ratings than the previous regime that was built on young talent.

Those are all facts. You say I'm here to "defend" AEW.... No, I'm here to shyt on the narrative that Bischoff was a genius. He wasn't. He had a couple hot lines and that was that... he ran out of ideas. The people in the IWC waxing poetic about him don't want to admit any of this.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

has nothing to do with AEW being underdogs and everything to do with defending the flop CEO's new work place and also the fact the (mostly white) AEW fanbase on here are the only ones who tolerate him anymore so he has to try and stay in their good graces, it's why he never once came at Cattle with the same smoke he does for everybody in here and never checked him at all for his race baiting

This is all nonsense. Y'all post regularly in the Mercedes thread which I barely touch it's all hate.... she has a 2-star match with some bum and it's ten pages of discourse about it. She has an excellent match and it's never mentioned.

Why? I'll tell you why.... because every wrestler that leaves WWE, you marks sit around and bash them. You do it with Ricochet. You're already doing it with Lashley. I don't care about the cacs wrestlers y'all wanna attack but bashing all the black talent that leaves because they don't wanna be in WWE anymore is fukking pathetic and I will call it out each time it happens.

Even Samantha Irvin was getting shyt on in that thread... and it's always the same super E marks doing it.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

I'm stating reality too. I gave Bischoff some credit for those things that @Pull Up the Roots already pointed out. We had already discussed that. The problem is... unlike that poster.... y'all refuse to talk about how Bischoff is the reason they were bleeding money like that.

$70M in losses in one year. You said yourself, it was because of the crazy contracts and the mismanagement of funds.. It was also because Bischoff was hot-shotting angles on TV every week and their PPV business was mostly trash after a while because nothing meant anything anymore creatively..

He was doing all that to try to pop a rating and not looking at how it would impact the future. Crazy contracts, mismanaging money, fukking up the creative long term.... that's all on Bischoff...

TNA was already built... the TNA originals put them on the map. They already had the deal with Spike TV etc... When Bischoff and Hogan came in they completely sank the promotion creatively and ended up with worse ratings than the previous regime that was built on young talent.

Those are all facts. You say I'm here to "defend" AEW.... No, I'm here to shyt on the narrative that Bischoff was a genius. He wasn't. He had a couple hot lines and that was that... he ran out of ideas. The people in the IWC waxing poetic about him don't want to admit any of this.

Okay...

• If Bischoff wasn't a genius, how the Hoegan heel turn had heads talking to this very day
• If Bischoff wasn't a genius, why Tony Khan following the blueprint of a "better nitro" ala Dynamite (irony of the name)
• If Bischoff wasn't a genius, why promoters are focusing on the crusierweight, fast paced wrestling that was brought to the mainstream (ECW done it, but WCW made it accessible to millions)

Like I get it breh, I would hate Bischoff too if he spent the entire time talking about what's the issue with AEW. If somebody was shytting on my beloved DDT, I would defend it (for the time), until I actually see all angles of the business aspect.

Also another thing, people always talk about Bischoff as if he was the fukking business. No man, he was just a exec and a face to the industry. He gave those contracts, but the suits had to approve of the money being up front. Bischoff is not an accountant, middle man, or the bank....he is just a face to the suits. I hate this drivel of Bischoff being a one-man army, when in reality there are more folks in the sinking ship than just the captain.

But look, its just going to be your stance and your end game. You are going to dismantle my post, make me feel like a idiot, go back to the safe side of AEW to paint a narrative that heads are dumb as bricks, while the almighty @Saysumthinfunnymike has the wealth of knowledge.

Its going to be a lot of pat backing and so forths. Arguments ensue, and so forths. But here's where I'm at....you can have the agenda, and so forth.

You the king of the TSC and The Coli. I'm just a poster killing time and waiting for my appointment.

So you got it breh

 

[Finn Baller]

she had a midcard match on a PPV that was a solid B+ level performance, nobody is talking about it anymore a week later that match got such a buzz that nobody tuned in whatsoever to Dynamite to see the follow up and it did one of the worst ratings in the show's entire history that star power tho

Everything people have been saying about Ricochet is justified and true, what have they been wrong about?

if people are gonna leave the major leagues to go to a lesser company, I would hope it would be for a good reason. Bobby Lashley wasn't getting booked like he deserved by HHH so he left, nothing wrong with that. It was the right decision on his part. Hopefully he'll get booked as a World Champion and PPV headliner in AEW because he's better than 90% of the people who have held that spot in the past (including the current one). Nobody blamed Shelton for leaving either.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Okay...

• If Bischoff wasn't a genius, how the Hoegan heel turn had heads talking to this very day
• If Bischoff wasn't a genius, why Tony Khan following the blueprint of a "better nitro" ala Dynamite (irony of the name)
• If Bischoff wasn't a genius, why promoters are focusing on the crusierweight, fast paced wrestling that was brought to the mainstream (ECW done it, but WCW made it accessible to millions)

Like I get it breh, I would hate Bischoff too if he spent the entire time talking about what's the issue with AEW. If somebody was shytting on my beloved DDT, I would defend it (for the time), until I actually see all angles of the business aspect.

Also another thing, people always talk about Bischoff as if he was the fukking business. No man, he was just a exec and a face to the industry. He gave those contracts, but the suits had to approve of the money being up front. Bischoff is not an accountant, middle man, or the bank....he is just a face to the suits. I hate this drivel of Bischoff being a one-man army, when in reality there are more folks in the sinking ship than just the captain.

But look, its just going to be your stance and your end game. You are going to dismantle my post, make me feel like a idiot, go back to the safe side of AEW to paint a narrative that heads are dumb as bricks, while the almighty @Saysumthinfunnymike has the wealth of knowledge.

Its going to be a lot of pat backing and so forths. Arguments ensue, and so forths. But here's where I'm at....you can have the agenda, and so forth.

You the king of the TSC and The Coli. I'm just a poster killing time and waiting for my appointment.

So you got it breh

I don't care for the passive aggressiveness in the post. I'm having a civil conversation with you and you're still trying to turn it into something it's not. That's the problem with this entire thread. You bring facts, you bring numbers, whatever you wanna bring... if it doesn't fit the "keke" energy then posters will try to move the goalposts or turn it into something more personal... which I have no problem doing if people wanted to go there but I was being civil and you are still spinning it

 

[Finn Baller]

also nobody is saying Bischoff is some big long time winner, they merely pointed out that he had a more successful period running a company than Tony Khan has thus far

I compared him to Eli earlier but Bischoff is more like Joe Flacco where he caught fire at the right time and won a ring and then did fukk all else after that but hang around in the league. Point being you still can't take away the title he won, and Bischoff has more of those than Tony Khan does or probably ever will

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

has nothing to do with AEW being underdogs and everything to do with defending the flop CEO's new work place and also the fact the (mostly white) AEW fanbase on here are the only ones who tolerate him anymore so he has to try and stay in their good graces, it's why he never once came at Cattle with the same smoke he does for everybody in here and never checked him at all for his race baiting

Breh I was and still am willing to put my account on the line just for him to go masked off. Just me alone, damn the rest. You see, here's my thing. In order for things to make sense, somebody got to be the martyr and I will die on the hill just to bring sanity to the TSC.

Ain't no goddamn way this dude is black given he called folks all sorts of "c00ns" over playfighting, never checked Cattle and the rest for being diet racist, and move like one of those "liberal" cacs that talk about allies but get wild comfortable on black spaces.

Its fukking gross.

I'm quite frankly tired of it. Dude could just leave me the fukk alone and just slick talk like he always been doing concerning "beards" and "stooges', but of course he want to reply to my post stating whats real. Hell, even Tony himself said that Bischoff was a influence on him.

But hey....you know what...whats done in the dark, will come to the light.

Trust, when I say that every dog will have his day. And as a spiritual marsupial, I have nothing but time and patience for the day to come

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

if people are gonna leave the major leagues to go to a lesser company, I would hope it would be for a good reason. Bobby Lashley wasn't getting booked like he deserved by HHH so he left, nothing wrong with that. It was the right decision on his part. Hopefully he'll get booked as a World Champion and PPV headliner in AEW because he's better than 90% of the people who have held that spot in the past (including the current one). Nobody blamed Shelton for leaving either.

I don't really care about your opinions on match ratings so I'll move on to this part of it: The only thing that matters is the money and the miles. That's the one thing that Kevin Nash was always right about.

If wrestlers want to leave and go to the "minor leagues" as you call it then let's tell the whole story.... The minor leagues are paying more than the major leagues. You love sports analogies so go show me the guys in the XFL and Canada who are making more than the NFL players...

You can't keke that away... Wrestling less dates for more money and having more free time to do whatever you want is a win for wrestlers no matter how many WWE marks try to make it worse.... it's not lol

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

I don't care for the passive aggressiveness in the post. I'm having a civil conversation with you and you're still trying to turn it into something it's not. That's the problem with this entire thread. You bring facts, you bring numbers, whatever you wanna bring... if it doesn't fit the "keke" energy then posters will try to move the goalposts or turn it into something more personal... which I have no problem doing if people wanted to go there but I was being civil and you are still spinning it

Okay breh you got it. You know...

you remind me of children that my wife had to consult. She specializes in managing autism and kids on the spectrum. They would paint this narrative that the other person is in the wrong, and in their own mind that they are the winners.

Hell....I'm dealing with that involving my own son as he is gifted...with a side of autism.

I'm just saying breh...its okay, I know you are in pain and hurting if you feel such things. This is your outlet, and in order for you to feel fulfillment, you gotta engage and fight. Like how my son usually be against authority.

Thank you for being the influence on what I need to do with my own child. As my wife is really truthful about folks that are autistic.

Not a diss by any means breh...just letting you know that you are going to be okay and I pray you find peace in your situation. Autism is hell, because you don't have emotions until it truly affects you. So I'm just going to treat you and your posts, like how I do my son when he drifts off on a spectrum.

"That's nice @Saysumthinfunnymike "

 

[Finn Baller]

I don't really care about your opinions on match ratings so I'll move on to this part of it: The only thing that matters is the money and the miles. That's the one thing that Kevin Nash was always right about.

If wrestlers want to leave and go to the "minor leagues" as you call it then let's tell the whole story.... The minor leagues are paying more than the major leagues. You love sports analogies so go show me the guys in the XFL and Canada who are making more than the NFL players...

You can't keke that away... Wrestling less dates for more money and having more free time to do whatever you want is a win for wrestlers no matter how many WWE marks try to make it worse.... it's not lol

you have access to wrestlers contracts? tell us who is making how much

if the Saudis started an international basketball league tomorrow like they did with LIV Golf, and any all star player left the NBA for the Saudi league because they got promised 75M a year, you don't think they'd get criticized by damn near every basketball fan for going somewhere with lesser competition? Golf fans pretty much universally hate all the PGA Tour members who left for LIV even though some of them got contracts in the ballpark of 300-400M

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Okay breh you got it. You know...

you remind me of children that my wife had to consult. She specializes in managing autism and kids on the spectrum. They would paint this narrative that the other person is in the wrong, and in their own mind that they are the winners.

Hell....I'm dealing with that involving my own son as he is gifted...with a side of autism.

I'm just saying breh...its okay, I know you are in pain and hurting if you feel such things. This is your outlet, and in order for you to feel fulfillment, you gotta engage and fight. Like how my son usually be against authority.

Thank you for being the influence on what I need to do with my own child. As my wife is really truthful about folks that are autistic.

Not a diss by any means breh...just letting you know that you are going to be okay and I pray you find peace in your situation. Autism is hell, because you don't have emotions until it truly affects you. So I'm just going to treat you and your posts, like how I do my son when he drifts off on a spectrum.

"That's nice @Saysumthinfunnymike "

I don't want to hear anymore about your life story and I'll tell you why. Because in a roundabout way, you are taking your own life and trying to apply it to someone you have never met and will never meet and in doing so... trying to score points on an internet board. That's not something you will ever see me doing. None of you will ever get me posting about my loved ones on here. But hey, if that's what you want to do, go ahead... leave me out of it.

I'm not in any kind of pain, I know some of you wish that was the case but I'm good breh, I'm happy.. You are coming off as someone who is very unhappy and the fact that you're trying to paint a picture that I'm somehow responsible for fukking up your days on here.... get a grip breh.... I was have a civil discourse with you and you come back at me with all of this.... Whatever...