Tom Brady Suspended for 4 Games, Pats lose 1st round pick in 2016 and 4th in 2017 & fined $1Million

[duckbutta]

The farther this goes the more likely the Patriots are going to have to explain how...

They told Wells they would allow him to conduct interviews on his own and did NOT want him using whatever information the NFL had prior to hiring him...

Made everyone Wells needed to be available for interviews...available for interviews...

And then once Wells found "The Deflator" text messages...shut him out and would not allow him to conduct anymore interviews...

I used to think this was a smart organization but now it seems like this is just another case of some dumb ass people falling up in life...

Say we should have been warned...you were warned when you did it against the jets...

Say you had no idea it was going on...another team sends a letter to the league suspecting you would do it AND you did it...

Now this "deflator means he is losing weight" nonsense...do you have the accompanying text messages of losing weight jokes to go along with "the deflator"...

Does any sports town have a more scumbag sports history than boston...?

 

[BreezyH]

WRONG.

This is a judicial review of Goodell's/the league's punishment of Brady. This is a collective bargaining issue. Goodell/the league is on trial for violating the CBA and punishing Brady beyond what the CBA allows. Hence, the arbitrator (LMAO) and a federal judge would review the evidence that the league considered (i.e., the Wells report) and determine whether the league's punishment was excessive or not, under the arbitrary and capricious standard and the reasonableness standard, respectively. The league doesn't get to have a second chance of proving that Brady violated the rules. It's the league that's on trial for its punishment which apparently violated the CBA. The league is going to have to explain how in the hell the findings in the heavily-flawed Wells report justified a 4-game suspension for an infraction that the CBA deems is punishable up to $25,000. That's it. Brady doesn't have to turn over his phone, its contents, etc.

This is administrative law, plain and simple.

Do the knowledge before you start spewing nonsense.

i was reffering to goodell's review, wrong word used .


but fall back all the same, ya guy is toast in court of public opinion, this just the official nail in the coffin

 

[William F. Russell]

i was reffering to goodell's review, wrong word used .


but fall back all the same, ya guy is toast in court of public opinion, this just the official nail in the coffin

The court of public opinion won't matter if the suspension is overturned...

 

[BreezyH]

The court of public opinion won't matter if the suspension is overturned...

. if suspension gets overturned cool, but they aint about to uncover anything new.

by your own admission, they aint looking at new evidence. plus, if your belief is that he got suspended for circumstantial shyt then overturning is just the opposite side of same coin. Public opinion is all that matters for legacy talk

 

[Foxmulder]

Patriots and their fans just making this shyt look worse. Dudes acting like Brady got a death sentence. Even if Brady gets off with his dream team of lawyers his rep is still.

 

[William F. Russell]

. if suspension gets overturned cool, but they aint about to uncover anything new.

by your own admission, they aint looking at new evidence. plus, if your belief is that he got suspended for circumstantial shyt then overturning is just the opposite side of same coin. Public opinion is all that matters for legacy talk

1. Who said anything about circumstantial shyt? I said the onus is on the league to explain how its findings (the contents of the Wells Report) constitute sufficient evidence to justify its punishment; the league will also have to explain why the punishment was so egregious, considering the letter of the CBA. All Brady's lawyers have to do is point out how the report has so many holes in it. That's it. Thanks for the lesson in reading comprehension....not...


2. Rings and accolades define legacies, breh...not witch hunts and cheating allegations.

 

[William F. Russell]

Patriots and their fans just making this shyt look worse. Dudes acting like Brady got a death sentence. Even if Brady gets off with his dream team of lawyers his rep is still.

If that's what you want to think, cool. But his rings, accolades, and records will tell another story. And allowing this stupid investigation to eradicate everything we've seen Brady pull off on the field is ridiculous.

 

[William F. Russell]

http://yourteamcheats.com/

 

[King Kreole]

Public relations purposes.

This entire situation has been misframed. The arbitrator appeal (and likely subsequent federal appeal) is NOT about whether Brady had the balls doctored or not. It's about whether Goodell/the league violated the CBA by suspending Brady for 4 games for an infraction that the CBA states is subject to a $25,000 fine. That's it.

So the Patriots are allowed to suspend their employees without pay for PR reasons, yet when the league does the same thing it's a problem?

 

[Foxmulder]

If that's what you want to think, cool. But his rings, accolades, and records will tell another story. And allowing this stupid investigation to eradicate everything we've seen Brady pull off on the field is ridiculous.

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens has records and accolades too.

 

[William F. Russell]

So the Patriots are allowed to suspend their employees without pay for PR reasons, yet when the league does the same thing it's a problem?

1. Patriots' employees are at-will employees in a private organization. The Patriots can fire their employees within the organization without cause.

2. The NFL CANNOT impose a punishment on players under the collective bargaining agreement without sufficient evidence. Moreover, the CBA prevents the NFL from imposing punishments for violations that exceed what's permitted in the CBA.

You have a serious logic problem.

 

[Foxmulder]

So the Patriots are allowed to suspend their employees without pay for PR reasons, yet when the league does the same thing it's a problem?

The Patriots way.

 

[William F. Russell]

Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens has records and accolades too.

And they're universally regarded as HOF-worthy players.

 

[Foxmulder]

And they're universally regarded as HOF-worthy players.

Their universally regarded as cheaters also.

 

[King Kreole]

1. Patriots' employees are at-will employees in a private organization. The Patriots can fire their employees within the organization for whatever reason.

2. The NFL CANNOT impose a punishment on players under the collective bargaining agreement without sufficient evidence. Moreover, the CBA prevents the NFL from imposing punishments for violations that exceed what's permitted in the CBA.

You have a serious logic problem.

1. Uhh, No. There are labor laws that all private organizations have to abide by. The Patriots cannot fire employees for whatever reason.

2. Sufficient evidence is a subjective standard, which the Wells report obviously met. Again, the charge against Brady is not deflating balls or even refusing to provide phone records, but obstructing the league's investigation (refusing to hand over electronic records were only a part of his obstruction). By refusing to cooperate with an NFL investigation, Brady was found to be in contravention of the league conduct policy. You are absolutely right Brady has no legal requirement to hand over his cell phone records. He also has no legal requirement to be employed by the NFL. If the NFL has concluded that Tom Brady was "generally aware" (notice, they don't have to have incontrovertible proof) of an illegal scheme being operated, and have found him to be acting in a manner that is tarnishing the image of the league by providing implausible and contradictory testimony, they have the right to suspend or fire him.

Confucius says: try harder.