There should be no more war, weaponry or offensive words ...

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Isn't the civilized world over war and weaponry?

Are there really situations that need to cause more bodies to drop?

I personally don't believe that war of any kind is at all necessary anymore in the modern world that we live in. Countries need to buy into and give away more control and power to the UN, and enforce the votes that the UN passes in terms of conflicts.

Isn't that the most fair and humane for things to work out?

I believe that the right to bear arms was meant for colonial times in defending against an oppressive government, something that is completely irrelevant in these days and times. Take away the guns and there will be other weapons made and sold on the black market sure, but let the government handle that.

The global issue at hand is a lot like someone who refuses to relinquish control and get help for themselves, something that I have done in the recent past. Once you give up control and allow yourself to receive help, things truly get better. I believe the world, as a whole, needs to do the same thing. Cede power to the UN and believe in helping others and getting help, and believe that helping others as a team can actually work to rectify situations better than blowing each other up.

Yes, for those that remember, I had some vitriolic words in describing the fringe Palestinians, words that seemed to stem from hatred and could have been easily deemed to be directed at all Palestinians, and I truly regret those words. I was a different person then, one who was quick to rush to judgment and was, at times, irrational and emotionally imbalanced. I sincerely did not mean to refer to any Palestinians other than the ones engaging in chaotic war acts, was emotionally affected due to having family in Israel and all in all regret most of the words I said in that thread. I tried to clarify a bit back then, but for most, it was all for naught. Gun to my head (pun intended), even back then, and I would have admitted that I truly did not mean to express the words I did in the manner that I did. It was a hot topic and I got caught up, as an inferior me to the one I am now.

But this just goes more to my overall point. Even warring over words should now be seen as unnecessary, crude and uncivilized, as we are truly in a global society now. Factions that differ based on opinion and interest need to come to agreement that rational minds can come to a satisfactory compromise in all situations, put the weapons down for good, and end all war. We may not all agree on everything, but we should all agree that safety and happiness is paramount, and rational compromise is the only way to truly achieve this in the greatest amount for the greatest number of people.

Thoughts? I would like to hear people's opinion, and offer a back and forth, specifically on key objections to some of my topic points, such as potential corruption in the UN, the general impossibility of the notions, etc..

 

[Type Username Here]

We're animals, and animals, even those of the same species, often separate from one another. Due to our physical requirements for resources, and the ones we made-up, we will continue to compete in this way. War is just the endgame to this. We don't say chimps are at war when they are fighting over abundant food supplies, we just see it as nature being chaotic.

Life is a competition. You are the byproduct of mates winning over other potential maters. You are the byproduct of a sperm swimming faster than another sperm. You are the byproduct of electrical and chemical competitions to satisfy the laws of the universe. There are wars going on from the micro to the macro, everyday.

Couple this fact with the fact that as social beings/apes, we develop "in" and "out" groups based on race, religion, political standing, hair color, pigmentation, language, etc.. This is inherently dangerous. I suspect that this planet and the human race will only know peace on this planet when we join in one against a new "other" in the form of other sentient beings. Our different skin color might not seem so different if we are faced with other sentient beings who break the mold of what intelligent life is supposed to look like.

We think of this as evil, and in our consciousness we might even now it is evil, but the universe is indifferent. The universe is chaotic, and the battle for order and disorder is but a dance with entropy, and the song might soon end.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

We're animals, and animals, even those of the same species, often separate from one another. Due to our physical requirements for resources, and the ones we made-up, we will continue to compete in this way. War is just the endgame to this. We don't say chimps are at war when they are fighting over abundant food supplies, we just see it as nature being chaotic.

Life is a competition. You are the byproduct of mates winning over other potential maters. You are the byproduct of a sperm swimming faster than another sperm. You are the byproduct of electrical and chemical competitions to satisfy the laws of the universe. There are wars going on from the micro to the macro, everyday.

Couple this fact with the fact that as social beings/apes, we develop "in" and "out" groups based on race, religion, political standing, hair color, pigmentation, language, etc.. This is inherently dangerous. I suspect that this planet and the human race will only know peace on this planet when we join in one against a new "other" in the form of other sentient beings. Our different skin color might not seem so different if we are faced with other sentient beings who break the mold of what intelligent life is supposed to look like.
We think of this as evil, and in our consciousness we might even now it is evil, but the universe is indifferent. The universe is chaotic, and the battle for order and disorder is but a dance with entropy, and the song might soon end.

First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response.

Second of all, the bolded is something I have considered in the past, in that, Earth almost needs alien interaction to bolster peace on the planet. But wouldn't that just be to start another end-game of war, with that alien species? I doubt we would all agree to try to attempt peace. There would be disagreement in how we would approach them in the first place, peace or war? The question remains eternal.

I think the universe is just as orderly as it is chaotic. The evidence is in the balance of the solar system and other orderly systems such as mathematics, and organic systems such as colonies of certain species (ants/bees) etc. Where some see chaos, some see order, and vice versa.

My main point, bridging off of the enlightenment thread, is that the majority of humanity has reached a point of information retrieval that enables intelligence and knowledge to be at levels previously unseen. This intelligence should lend us to the understanding that most of our problems stem from lack of communication, and with proper communication, problems can be solved.

Maybe, instead of the UN solution, the world needs to agree to try and speak a universal language.

 

[Type Username Here]

Maybe, instead of the UN solution, the world needs to agree to try and speak a universal language.

We do, it's called Math.

Math is the story and language of human cooperation, even if that cooperation is sometimes not direct. It has advanced to the point we are at solely because every imaginable "type" of human has contributed to its progress.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

We do, it's called Math.

Math is the story and language of human cooperation, even if that cooperation is sometimes not direct. It has advanced to the point we are at solely because every imaginable "type" of human has contributed to its progress.

True, but you know what I meant. A speakable language. Unless you are suggesting that people who have different native tongues only communicate with math or mathematical symbols...otherwise the universality of mathematical language is irrelevant in terms of solving societal conflicts etc.

 

[Shogun]

humans been killing eachother for hundreds of thousands of years. shyt aint gonna stop now that we have the internet

 

[NubianVitruvian]

we don't necessarily need another enemy in order to unite with each other.

what we need is an uprising of the enlightened. all of our enlightened leaders of the past havnt matched themselves against the forces that keep us in turmoil. All due respect to the greats. This is because it would in fact be continuing the cycles of control, somewhat.

Its always harder to build than destroy. We have built businesses on war and destruction. This is the problem of the world. It is almost embedded in the major religions to go against the other, while religions that have already found peace, are often left by the wayside, Taoism, Bhuddhism. These don't really go out into expansion because it is inherent to them to let things be, and when you already have your own peace, what is there to go to "war" for.

Religions, governments, etc, always have "another" an "enemy" to protect themselves against, to be valiant, heroic against. As long as we think this way we will always have enemies.

The way out of this is to simply have peace within ourselves. To empower ourselves as creators. This way, we are not dependent on others to provide us our means. We are able to provide for ourselves, through cooperation.

 

[NubianVitruvian]

Some excepts from The Science of Getting Rich
I think it relates to this topic.

Things are not brought into being by thinking about their opposites. Health is never to be attained by studying disease and thinking about disease; righteousness is not to be promoted by studying sin and thinking about sin; and no one ever got rich by studying poverty and thinking about poverty.

Medicine as a science of disease has increased disease; religion as a science of sin has promoted sin, and economics as a study of poverty will fill the world with wretchedness and want.

Do not talk about poverty; do not investigate it, or concern yourself with it. Never mind what its causes are; you have nothing to do with them.

What concerns you is the cure.



People must be taught to become rich by creation, not by competition.

Every man who becomes rich by competition throws down behind him the ladder by which he rises, and keeps others down; but every man who gets rich by creation opens a way for thousands to follow him, and inspires them to do so.

 

[NubianVitruvian]

You must so impress others that they will feel that in associating with you they will get increase for themselves. See that you give them a use value greater than the cash value you are taking from them.

Take an honest pride in doing this, and let everybody know it; and you will have no lack of customers. People will go where they are given increase; and the Supreme, which desires increase in all, and which knows all, will move toward you men and women who have never heard of you. Your business will increase rapidly, and you will be surprised at the unexpected benefits which will come to you. You will be able from day to day to make larger combinations, secure greater advantages, and to go on into a more congenial vocation if you desire to do so.

But doing thing all this, you must never lose sight of your vision of what you want, or your faith and purpose to get what you want.

On Competition, the main problem of the world we live in.

Let me here give you another word of caution in regard to motives.

Beware of the insidious temptation to seek for power over other men.

Nothing is so pleasant to the unformed or partially developed mind as the exercise of power or dominion over others. The desire to rule for selfish gratification has been the curse of the world. For countless ages kings and lords have drenched the earth with blood in their battles to extend their dominions; this not to seek more life for all, but to get more power for themselves.

To-day, the main motive in the business and industrial world is the same; men Marshal their armies of dollars, and lay waste the lives and hearts of millions in the same mad scramble for power over others. Commercial kings, like political kings, are inspired by the lust for power.

Jesus saw in this desire for mastery the moving impulse of that evil world He sought to overthrow. Read the twenty-third chapter of Matthew, and see how He pictures the lust of the Pharisees to be called "Master," to sit in the high places, to domineer over others, and to lay burdens on the backs of the less fortunate; and note how He compares this lust for dominion with the brotherly seeking for the Common Good to which He calls His disciples.

Look out for the temptation to seek for authority, to become a "master," to be considered as one who is above the common herd, to impress others by lavish display, and so on.

The mind that seeks for mastery over others is the competitive mind; and the competitive mind is not the creative one. In order to master your environment and your destiny, it is not at all necessary that you should rule over your fellow men and indeed, when you fall into the world's struggle for the high places, you begin to be conquered by fate and environment, and your getting rich becomes a matter of chance and speculation.

Beware of the competitive mind!! No better statement of the principle of creative action can be formulated than the favorite declaration of the late "Golden Rule" Jones of Toledo: "What I want for myself, I want for everybody."

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

we don't necessarily need another enemy in order to unite with each other.

Great post.

Just wanted to touch on your opening statement. We, as humans, don't need any enemies period. It is unhealthy and unnatural, despite it being as such for the longest of times. There usually seems to be an enemy or roadblock, but I feel like the true natural state of humanity is harmony.

Unfortunately, TPTB are so intertwined with competing interests, and they are the ones that are running the show. There needs to be an uprising of the enlightened true, but they need to acquire many government positions across many countries for true harmony to ever be realized. I feel like the Earth is on the right path, as there has been many instances of peace where in the past there would be war, but there is still progress to make yet.

 

[NubianVitruvian]

Great post.

Just wanted to touch on your opening statement. We, as humans, don't need any enemies period. It is unhealthy and unnatural, despite it being as such for the longest of times. There usually seems to be an enemy or roadblock, but I feel like the true natural state of humanity is harmony.

Unfortunately, TPTB are so intertwined with competing interests, and they are the ones that are running the show. There needs to be an uprising of the enlightened true, but they need to acquire many government positions across many countries for true harmony to ever be realized. I feel like the Earth is on the right path, as there has been many instances of peace where in the past there would be war, but there is still progress to make yet.

Yes of course, this conversation is proof of the enlightenment phase. Who knows how many will see this and how it will affect them. We actually are in a great position as we already think in the way the new world will operate in, it is only a matter of time that we ARE those leaders, if you play your cards right. Just take care of yourself and those around you.

I also think 2012 had something to do with it.
Now most of us won't admit to this. But I believe "What if the world really would end today?" crossed our minds as a whole. 2012 was a "global, near death experience" we woke up like, 'hmph the world was supposed to end today, but its just another day.' One big mindfukk.***After "The Countdown to Doomsday" we gained this "open future perspective". Which sparked this new enlightenment wave.

We've been through yet "another end of the world". Now that we've "survived". I think the subconscious of most people thought "what if?" and afterwards we started looking at the world and thinking "this is it? no, it has to get better".

I believe this is where people have started looking more into what the Maya may have ACTUALLY believed. (It was just a start of a new cycle, much like we start a new year in January, or like the Chinese who start on the 1st full moon). We are coming full circle, looking into ancient knowledge, esoterics, science, quantum physics, consciousness, DNA, etc and what these could mean for humanities future.

It's a good time to be alive. We just gotta kick the global fukkry in our governments, but their time will come.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but it fell in one. -Vast Aire



One Big Mindfukk ***

 

[OsO]

war is absolutely unnecessary. a primitive tool used by a primitive people.

 

[Slang]

war is absolutely unnecessary. a primitive tool used by a primitive people.

Yet here you are typing on a laptop/desktop communicating through a network born of the military complex.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Yet here you are typing on a laptop/desktop communicating through a network born of the military complex.

So we should manufacture more wars in order to continue to advance us technologically?

 

[HummerCrusher]

It's all good wishing the world was peaceful, but the reality is that it's gotten to a point where 'we' wont be able to achieve a form of world peace without copious amounts of bloodshed. People are way, way, waaaay too hard-headed and stuck in their ways to just suddenly say "We're tired of war, let's be friends".

You know why it can't happen via talk? You gotta think about it on a smaller scale. Think about every conversation you've had with someone where you've given them 100% proof that their precious little belief (whether it's political, sexual, or other) is incorrect, and how many times they've outright rejected it and got angry.

Enlarge that to a world-wide level and you'll soon realize that even if 70% of the world agreed to something, the 30% will fight them to the death to not join in. Turn the topic into something like getting rid of guns/bombs. 70%, let's say, want to get rid of nukes and guns. How're you gonna talk the weapons out of the hands of that 30%? You can't, especially when you factor-in how hot headed and humiliated people get in public/the world stage. So, it'd come down to forcibly taking them. Guess what that is? War. And even if the war was won against that 30%, the 70% will always have people who hate it for going around enforcing law by war.

Just like a fight on the street level. Even if you're not a fighter. If you're walking down the street to work and someone gets in your way, physically stopping you, eventually, it's a fight whether you like it or not. It's what upholding Law/being free comes down to. You can't uphold law without force; you can't have human law without disagreement. Disagreement on laws comes down to stopping those who disagree with it, which leads to conflict.

The only way plausible world peace will come about is via a (maybe multiple) nuclear attack, or global food riots. Something so bad and so vicious that topples current governments and has people calling out for an end to it. The way things are now? People aren't desperate enough for something like that yet.