There are no popular "household name" female hip hop producers.

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David Banner is the reason producers use tags and he also had a distinct sound

The problem with your rhetoric in here is you're conflating producers having tags with not having a distinct sound which implies lack of creativity

Tags are used for branding and matter now more than ever because these days your distinct sound can just as easily become a "type beat" tutorial on YouTube




I never said it was a lack of creativity. Not having a distinct sound doesn't mean you lack creativity. It could just as easily mean you have a versatile sound.

I remember David Banner having tags back in the Crooked Lettaz days, which is why I mentioned him. Surely David Banner wasn't using a tag in '99 and the early '00's because of lack of creativity.

There have always been a "type beat" thing going on even before YouTube. I once downloaded a FL Studio back in 2001 and the beat for Aaliyah's "Try Again" was pre-loaded. All of the sounds with everything loaded, highlighted, and everything was there. SoundClick has always been a hotbed for finding beats that sound like (insert popular producer).
 

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that wasn't the point, the point is missy is the most known female producer, and even if you pin her as a writer first, she got there by helping established artists and artists signed to various labels, not by breaking her own artist. if the most known female writer/producer can do it by working with artists signed elsewhere/already established, so can a new woman, they don't need to break a new artist to get on.

Arguably, Missy Elliott broke 702. She wrote "Steelo".

My whole point is that a female artist breaking an artist would be a gateway to being a household name. Why? That's been a claim to fame to many producers who became household names. Not saying, it's a rule.
 

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Arguably, Missy Elliott broke 702. She wrote "Steelo".

My whole point is that a female artist breaking an artist would be a gateway to being a household name. Why? That's been a claim to fame to many producers who became household names. Not saying, it's a rule.
i don't agree with 702, that wasn't her artist, same with gina thompson - i count that in the bucket of working with "other" artists to give them hits. not breaking a new artist in the same way dre did snoop per your example, or JD or diddy did for bad boy and So So Def.

anyway, your post said "she's going to have to"...so it definitely came across as if you meant that was a requirement. a big placement that catches on is definitely a viable, and more realistic, route.
 

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i don't agree with 702, that wasn't her artist, same with gina thompson - i count that in the bucket of working with "other" artists to give them hits. not breaking a new artist in the same way dre did snoop per your example, or JD or diddy did for bad boy and So So Def.

anyway, your post said "she's going to have to"...so it definitely came across as if you meant that was a requirement. a big placement that catches on is definitely a viable, and more realistic, route.

I will agree to disagree on the first point.

On the second, nah, I don't think simply a big placement that catches on will work. Boots produced a lion share of Beyonce's self titled album in 2013. He's still not a household name. Even had a song on Rihanna's  Anti. Meanwhile, Boi-1da came in with Drake. Drake wasn't Boi-1da's artist per se as Boi-1da is a producer and not really a label head.
 

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I will agree to disagree on the first point.

On the second, nah, I don't think simply a big placement that catches on will work. Boots produced a lion share of Beyonce's self titled album in 2013. He's still not a household name. Even had a song on Rihanna's  Anti. Meanwhile, Boi-1da came in with Drake. Drake wasn't Boi-1da's artist per se as Boi-1da is a producer and not really a label head.
you're bringing r&b/pop producers into this, we're talking rap. yes there were a handful of people in the past who did both, but that's so so so far from the norm today, i have no idea what it takes to become a big name in r&b/pop these days. as for hip hop, no one said a big placement is guaranteed, but a big placement that snowballs into more big placements or producing a whole project the way metro boomin, harry fraud, pierre and metro boomin, etc do, yes, that's a more realistic path to becoming a household name.
 

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you're bringing r&b/pop producers into this, we're talking rap. yes there were a handful of people in the past who did both, but that's so so so far from the norm today, i have no idea what it takes to become a big name in r&b/pop these days. as for hip hop, no one said a big placement is guaranteed, but a big placement that snowballs into more big placements or producing a whole project the way metro boomin, harry fraud, pierre and metro boomin, etc do, yes, that's a more realistic path to becoming a household name.

LOL. Well, Metro has produced for Weeknd, Mike Will definitely has outside work on other genres as does Mustard. That's not far from the norm of today, it may even be closer to the norm. But if we are going to stick to strictly Hip Hop, what about someone like T-Minus. He has monster hits with Nicki Minaj, Drake, Wayne, Ludacris, and others. He's not a household name even before he retired and came back.
 

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LOL. Well, Metro has produced for Weeknd, Mike Will definitely has outside work on other genres as does Mustard. That's not far from the norm of today, it may even be closer to the norm. But if we are going to stick to strictly Hip Hop, what about someone like T-Minus. He has monster hits with Nicki Minaj, Drake, Wayne, Ludacris, and others. He's not a household name even before he retired and came back.
bro, no one is saying any of this is a guarantee, we're talking about paths to becoming a name. placements is the most viable path.
 

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bro, no one is saying any of this is a guarantee, we're talking about paths to becoming a name. placements is the most viable path.

OK, if this is true let's look at Wondagurl and Trakgirl. They have both had big placements and still remain relatively unknown especially in comparison to their male counterparts.
 

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OK, if this is true let's look at Wondagurl and Trakgirl. They have both had big placements and still remain relatively unknown especially in comparison to their male counterparts.
because it isn't a guarantee...do either produce with velocity (a lot of songs on a project or placements on a lot of (a-list) projects at once), how much of what they produce become hits/very popular, what's their SM/media presence - do they do interviews and hit the circuits, do they engage with fans, drop behind the scenes video, etc to keep people interested in them? do they promote the projects they're on?, what's their relationship with artists - do they do exclusive full projects? do they do media runs with the artist when they're promoting?, do they have a tag?, do they want to be known or are they happy to get paid and KIM?, are they mixing and mingling in the industry?
 

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because it isn't a guarantee...do either produce with velocity (a lot of songs on a project or placements on a lot of (a-list) projects at once), how much of what they produce become hits/very popular, what's their SM/media presence - do they do interviews and hit the circuits, do they engage with fans, drop behind the scenes video, etc to keep people interested in them? do they promote the projects they're on?, what's their relationship with artists - do they do exclusive full projects? do they do media runs with the artist when they're promoting?, do they have a tag?, do they want to be known or are they happy to get paid and KIM?, are they mixing and mingling in the industry?

They've done most of this, if not all. I still remember the hype Wondagurl got from "Crown". She had interviews and everything off that one song. She's had big placements since then even produced "Betta Have My Money" for Rihanna.

Trakgirl


^^^ speaking engagements, big placements, hit songs etc. and she's still not a household name.
 

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They've done most of this, if not all. I still remember the hype Wondagurl got from "Crown". She had interviews and everything off that one song. She's had big placements since then even produced "Betta Have My Money" for Rihanna.

Trakgirl


^^^ speaking engagements, big placements, hit songs etc. and she's still not a household name.
ehh, forbes aint really the media "the culture" follows (ie i only found one mention of trakgirl on a song credit on complex, no story...wondegurl has a few articles tho) - have they done the popular podcasts and radio shows? they really working SM? how much they get in the mix with the industry - networking, socializing, etc?

this is wondagurl's twitter (i assume) https://twitter.com/WondaGurlBeats , don't even have a blue check, her IG has 120 posts. trakgirl has 70 IG posts and while she has a blue check on twitter and way more tweets than WG, her followers are down bad... WG in particular doesn't strike me as a producer who really wants to be listener famous, but she has clout with artists and engaged listeners who check for production. there's nothing wrong with that, in fact that's the route i'd take if i were a producer or writer, but you can't question why a profile hasn't risen if the person isn't trying to be that big.

i'll also say my personal experience with knowing producers today comes from their tags and them doing full mixtapes with artists. she may command too much money for that or she may approach her artistry different and not want to work like that, but linking with an artist for a project that resonates seems to be a big way producers have elevated themselves for the past decade or so. hit boy had his hits he produced for kanye and bey, etc, but his full projects with Nas have taken his name recognition amongst listeners much higher (tho hid project with dom made him a name to me).

lastly, there's going to be sexism and more ceilings female producers have to contend with, it is what it is in that they need to grind harder and be more deliberate about self promotion to be more known...or get into non stop fukkery.


edit: you also just need more of them, for every 100 male producers out there, you got maybe 10 making records the masses hear, and 1 of who becomes anything close to a HH name. with odds like that, if you only got 20 females producing, it's hard to expect that just from a crop of 20 one will become a hot name.
 

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I also wanted to clarify what I meant about breaking artists that become popular. When said artist blows up, it gives the producer a built in fan base without them having to really be like "hey I produced their debut single or debut album". When the artist gets interviewed or whatever, the name will come up. So now it's not just being associated with one a hit record, it's an artist association that promotes itself. Not only have you helped launch an artist, but now it also has labels looking at the producer like "Well, maybe we could put this new artist we have with that producer and have similar or the same results". It isn't the same as doing a single for an established artist even if the single is huge. Why? In most cases, unless the producer is completely giving the artist a completely different sound, the established artist already has a sound with possibly multiple producers in which no one producer stands out.
 
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