the southern strategy

[zerozero]

Over the Decades, How States Have Shifted - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com

no they joined Wallace third party...and were a minority of antiquated beliefs the southern strategy is one of those mythical things democrat try to paint as a simple swap when that wasn't the case at all

by the time the south began voting republican so was the rest of the country nationally

explain why all these lines on the left side suddenly went right @Slystallion

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

IT'S A SHOOT, BROTHER!

 

[filial_piety]

There was "Northern Strategy" to some extent with the blacks...

Prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 it was well known that LBJ stated

"we'll have those nikkaz voting Democrat for another 200 years"

looks like it worked

 

[zerozero]

There was "Northern Strategy" to some extent with the blacks...

Prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 it was well known that LBJ stated

"we'll have those nikkaz voting Democrat for another 200 years"

looks like it worked

okay I'm not sure your LBJ quote is verified but
why didn't Nixon support the voting rights act and neutralize them?

 

[filial_piety]

okay I'm not sure your LBJ quote is verified but
why didn't Nixon support the voting rights act and neutralize them?

Who knows...Nixon was clearly a politician and a mixed bag of nuts in the strictest sense...

One day he endorses Southern Strategy....and nearly 5 years later he was the first President to implement Affirmative Action for Blacks.

 

[zerozero]

Who knows...Nixon was clearly a politician and a mixed bag of nuts in the strictest sense...

One day he endorses Southern Strategy....and nearly 5 years later he was the first President to implement Affirmative Action for Blacks.

the basic point is that the civil rights movement that caused this shift was not morally equivalent on both sides. black people becoming democratic cause of the civil rights movement is not equivalent to southern white people switching to the party that swooped in to represent their archaic racism

the GOP dug this hole themselves. they could have supported civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, etc if they wanted. It's quite rich for them to turn around and say they got an unfair shake cause they didn't represent american constituents

 

[filial_piety]

I'm not sure how your first statement correlates with the second...that being said...

Civil Rights Act of 1957 was a Republican braintrust...Dear Sir
The beloved JFK voted against the 1957 Act as Senator of Mass...yet somehow he seemed to snatch up the black vote in 1960




Seems like the Donkey 'dug" itself out of a hole as quickly as it was 'dug' in as little as 3 years.


LBJ was right...the Democrats will have "nikkaz voting Democrat for 200 years." By rough calculations we still have roughly 148 years to go until we see another "shift"...the only thing the GOP can do at this point is get comfortable and atleast try to snatch up some of the Latino vote.

 

[zerozero]

I'm not sure how your first statement correlates with the second...that being said...

Civil Rights Act of 1957 was a Republican braintrust...Dear Sir
The beloved JFK voted against the 1957 Act as Senator of Mass...yet somehow he seemed to snatch up the black vote in 1960




Seems like the Donkey 'dug" itself out of a hole as quickly as it was 'dug' in as little as 3 years.


LBJ was right...the Democrats will have "nikkaz voting Democrat for 200 years." By rough calculations we still have roughly 148 years to go until we see another "shift"...the only thing the GOP can do at this point is get comfortable and atleast try to snatch up some of the Latino vote.

you're just talking in vagaries now breh. This supposed LBJ quote is not a prophecy. All the GOP needs to do is start addressing the concerns of the black electorate and they can capture that vote (what an idea.) Secondly, the question here isn't about whether JFK was a paragon of virtue or not. Hell Mr. Lincoln was a Republican. So we can see how these things switch back and forth. The question is, did the GOP capture the states that fled from Dems because of civil rights? The answer is, yes. Georgia wasn't hanging on as Democratic hoping to see the return of segregation

 

[filial_piety]

you're just talking in vagaries now breh. This supposed LBJ quote is not a prophecy. All the GOP needs to do is start addressing the concerns of the black electorate and they can capture that vote (what an idea.) Secondly, the question here isn't about whether JFK was a paragon of virtue or not. Hell Mr. Lincoln was a Republican. So we can see how these things switch back and forth. The question is, did the GOP capture the states that fled from Dems because of civil rights? The answer is, yes. Georgia wasn't hanging on as Democratic hoping to see the return of segregation

There's nothing "vague" about facts...the Civil Rights Act of 57 was a GOP endorsement...an endorsement that the very same Senator JFK was against....and the very same JFK who won the 'black vote' before he became President roughly 3 years later

BTW...I disagree with your interpretation of LBJ...it is a 'prophecy' and everything is going according to plan. The GOP should simply wait it out (148 years to be exact) and restructure their efforts towards the Latino vote....the new largest minority. Strategically for them to go after the 'black vote' at this point is nearly impossible and a wasted effort.

 

[zerozero]

There's nothing "vague" about facts...the Civil Rights Act of 57 was a GOP endorsement...an endorsement that the very same Senator JFK was against....and the very same JFK who won the 'black vote' before he became President roughly 3 years later

BTW...I disagree with your interpretation of LBJ...it is a 'prophecy' and everything is going according to plan. The GOP should simply wait it out (148 years to be exact) and restructure their efforts towards the Latino vote....the new largest minority.

It's vague because it's misdirection. You're going back and saying JFK wasn't really for civil rights a couple years before--but Nixon wasn't against civil rights like that a couple years before either. But two years later the reason all these southern states switched from Dems is because of desegregation!! Why didn't they hang on to the Dem coattails then, if Dems weren't for civil rights?

The rumored LBJ quote I can't take your view serious. LBJ also sent more people to Vietnam and look how that turned out. It's laughable that your'e taking an unsourced quote and deducing centuries into the future by it

 

[Slystallion]

with all due respect i don't see what the chart proves. The first nixon run in 1968 the Deep South voted for Wallace. By the time nixon won reelection in 1972 he had won every state but massachussets and dc...so was the whole country influenced by the "racial coding" you guys claimed.

 

[The Real]

with all due respect i don't see what the chart proves. The first nixon run in 1968 the Deep South voted for Wallace. By the time nixon won reelection in 1972 he had won every state but massachussets and dc...so was the whole country influenced by the "racial coding" you guys claimed.

Short answer: yes. Remember what a volatile time that was. Remember that the vast majority of the American people were not in favor of desegregation.

 

[zerozero]

with all due respect i don't see what the chart proves. The first nixon run in 1968 the Deep South voted for Wallace. By the time nixon won reelection in 1972 he had won every state but massachussets and dc...so was the whole country influenced by the "racial coding" you guys claimed.

it was a whole package of things Nixon exploited -- race, vietnam, geographic/anti-urban stuff

but your sleight of hand in which Democrats lose to Dixiecrats and then the GOP just happens to win everything is silly. The GOP filled the vacuum left by the Dems and Dixiecrats, with ex-Dems literally switching party affiliations, and not just cause a bunch of southern dudes were suddenly against labor unions and taxation.

confederate states (red)

gop states (red)

 

[Spatial Paradox]

you're just talking in vagaries now breh. This supposed LBJ quote is not a prophecy. All the GOP needs to do is start addressing the concerns of the black electorate and they can capture that vote (what an idea.) Secondly, the question here isn't about whether JFK was a paragon of virtue or not. Hell Mr. Lincoln was a Republican. So we can see how these things switch back and forth. The question is, did the GOP capture the states that fled from Dems because of civil rights? The answer is, yes. Georgia wasn't hanging on as Democratic hoping to see the return of segregation

The bolded is really all that needs to be said. Blacks didn't switch over to being a solidly Democratic voting bloc overnight. It was the result of decades of Democrats (well, the northern progressive wing of the party anyway) deliberately making overtures towards blacks going back to the New Deal. If anything, the history of how blacks went from being a solidly Republican voting bloc to being a solidly Democratic voting bloc should support the fact that if they really wanted to, Republicans could peel away black votes from Democrats.

If it's going to be 148 years before blacks vote in significant numbers for Republicans, it's because Republican policies and rhetoric is either overtly or covertly hostile towards blacks. Why should any group vote for a party so clearly against their interests?