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Stumbled across this website over the weekend and found their articles to be very interesting reads.

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Despite most polls indicating that Bernie Sanders would fare significantly better than Clinton against Trump, the party clearly wanted Hillary. This surely suggests that when push comes to shove, the Democratic establishment would prefer Hillary to lose the presidency than Sanders to win it. On the other hand, a large section of the GOP mainstream is probably uncomfortable enough with their blustering billionaire to swing behind Hillary — but never Sanders.

It remains a mystery to us why Sanders chose to describe himself — incorrectly — as a socialist, and in America of all countries. His position is that of a mainstream social democrat — a Keynesian in the mould of the New Deal, and the mainstream left in all other democracies. You wouldn't need a degree in marketing to see that 'social democrat' would be a much more appealing self-description, so why did he insist on such an unhelpful misnomer? It was helpful, though, to his right wing primaries opponent, who was able to present herself as a centrist, between an off the wall socialist and a quasi-fascist. In this most paradox-packed electoral circus, some of Trump's professed economic positions are actually closer to Bernie's than to Hillary's. Trump’s extremism is on the social scale rather than the economic one. Like Sanders — and unlike Clinton — Trump supported a decent minimum wage from the start, wants free education in state universities, has supported universal health care, consistently opposed the Transpacific Partnership Agreement and wants more bank regulation. Considering the cosy relationship that the Clintons and Trump have enjoyed until almost yesterday (reflected by Trump’s generous support for both Hillary’s senatorial campaigns and the Clinton Foundation) the mercurial Donald's differences may be less than they presently appear. Is it beyond all possibility that a Trump 'bi-partisan' presidency might include a role for his old friend Hillary?

Sanders now wants his impressive numbers of supporters to back the almost inevitable Democratic nominee, though his principles are actually far closer to those of Jill Stein, leader of the Greens. Is the party that Bernie barely belongs to more important than his principles? Or is he simply conforming to the expectations of ideologically arthritic liberals who will settle for a lesser-of-two-evils electoral exercise, as they have done for decades? :wow:

It's a measure of how far the fulcrum has swung to the right that under President Eisenhower (1953-61) — a Republican no less — the top tax rate was just over 90 percent. Sanders, however, has been depicted in much of the mainstream media as 'far-left' for wanting to raise the tax ceiling to 52 percent!

The Greens and the Libertarians have been shamefully sidelined by a skewed system that cries out for democratic reforms, serious curbs on corporate campaign funding and the implementation of a form of proportional representation that most democracies take for granted. :francis:

There is no stronger single indicator of authoritarianism and state power than a willingness to execute. A number of Libertarian Party supporters have correctly pointed out to us that, contrary to our assertions, Gary Johnson no longer supports the death penalty. (According to On The Issues and other sources, in 1996 Johnson said that he even favoured capital punishment in certain circumstances for children as young as 13 and 14. The following year he introduced a bill to actually expand the death penalty.) However he no longer supports it because of the risk of innocent people being executed. This is nevertheless a far less socially libertarian position than that held by Jill Stein, an unequivocal life-long opponent of the principle of state executions, regardless of innocence or guilt. While Johnson now sees the death penalty as 'flawed', Stein describes it as 'barbaric'. In certain other social issues they hold similar perspectives. Economically they differ enormously. Johnson holds deep admiration for Ayn Rand (The Virtue of Selfishness) whose social Darwinism is anathema to the Green Party leader. Stein, like Sanders, identifies the incompatibility of the prevailing economic orthodoxy with the ecological imperative.

Are the fat cat vulgarian and the pin-up girl of Wall Street and the Pentagon really the two finest minds and noblest characters that America could come up with for its highest office? Identity politics will, again, triumph. We’ve had a black leader. Now it will be cool to have a woman, right? Thinking progressives, however, might reflect on the uncomfortable truth that a President Trump would be relentlessly scrutinised, criticised and checked not only by the Democrats, but also by many in his own party. Conversely, a Democratic president, ultimately more different in style than substance, would implement a largely Republican agenda in all but name and get a relatively easy ride. Haven't the last eight years of neo-conservatism and Democratic deference brought the country too close already to a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state? :ohhh:

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explain how sanders and clinton are less authoritarian than Trump when both of them want bigger government
 

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explain how sanders and clinton are less authoritarian than Trump when both of them want bigger government
All candidates want bigger government in some form. The question is do they want a government that represents the people or corporations and the military industrial complex.
 

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Republicans will win presidential elections again when/if they drop their culture war crusade and figure out a way to separate from the bigots in their ranks. This is a center-right country and all Hillary is doing is occupying that space. Maybe it's disingenuous, since she's really a corporatist former Goldwater supporter, but as a member of the Democratic Party, she's anchored to her positions in a way that Republican candidates cannot be.

Gary Johnson could win if he had a proper machine behind him. Breaking the 2 party system is probably just as important as the unreachable goal of getting money out of politics.
 

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Republicans will win presidential elections again when/if they drop their culture war crusade and figure out a way to separate from the bigots in their ranks. This is a center-right country and all Hillary is doing is occupying that space. Maybe it's disingenuous, since she's really a corporatist former Goldwater supporter, but as a member of the Democratic Party, she's anchored to her positions in a way that Republican candidates cannot be.

Gary Johnson could win if he had a proper machine behind him. Breaking the 2 party system is probably just as important as the unreachable goal of getting money out of politics.

New Poll Confirms Country Is Clearly Progressive

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From 2014 - Is the USA Center-Right? An Issue-by-Issue Breakdown

If people voted their values and weren't silo'd into a 2 party system, you would have a point. When you pin people down on individual issues they want progressive policies.

Yes, voters are moving left on social issues, don't support entitlement cuts that will shrink their own budgets (fukk everyone else tho), but still largely support the parties they've always historically supported regardless of the positions and policies they enact because of tribalism.

Meanwhile, both political parties have moved to the right, so in effect, self described liberal/progressives are voting for more conservative candidates (Clinton-Obama-Clinton) and Republicans are moving further along the spectrum in their quest for political purity. So in effect, the center left is the center right.

Bam.
 

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From 2014 - Is the USA Center-Right? An Issue-by-Issue Breakdown

If people voted their values and weren't silo'd into a 2 party system, you would have a point. When you pin people down on individual issues they want progressive policies.

Yes, voters are moving left on social issues, don't support entitlement cuts that will shrink their own budgets (fukk everyone else tho), but still largely support the parties they've always historically supported regardless of the positions and policies they enact because of tribalism.

Meanwhile, both political parties have moved to the right, so in effect, self described liberal/progressives are voting for more conservative candidates (Clinton-Obama-Clinton) and Republicans are moving further along the spectrum in their quest for political purity. So in effect, the center left is the center right.

Bam.
Does having centre right policy positions make a person centre right or does voting for a centre right party make a person centre right?
 
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