You obviously feel some type of way about that gesture, so I won't try to convince you about anything. We will agree to disagree and end it there I guess.[...]
My point was that, none of the athletes did it as antisemitic gesture. From Riner, to Parker, to Anelka, they did it in "honor" (didn't know how to say it better) of Dieudonné. Like a dedication. Then, the gesture might have "kidnapped" because more and more people use it the anti-semitic way, you right. But that's still don't make it a antisemitic gesture.
I may have confused the Semana Santa with the KKK, but those Valencians still have the right to wear those clothes without any backlash haven't they ? Is there any problem with them ? None that I know of. And that is because the context is important. Those pointy hoods in the US means KKK ; in Spain, it simply means a religious Easter. And it's not because some idiots or some racists take symbols in order to own them, that one loses the right to use them. I find Kanye and many ATL rappers stupid to wear or take pride in the Southern (or the Georgia) flag, but they have the right to, above all, if the symbol they have in mind is not the infamous one. So yeah, it's just a symbol, sorry.
About Zionism. You compared it to black nationalism. I agree, it is a Nationalism.
But if you're familiar with Europe, you ought to know that Nationalisms are the causes of both World Wars and a few more wars in European history. And I'm only talking about Western Europe, let's not start on the Balkans. The UE as we know it has been built on the will to stop Nationalisms. If you look at the Rome Treaty which is the very basis of Europe, the three main countries (out of the 6) are France, Germany and Italy which were the gravity centers of both wars. The Franco-Germany alliance is basically the cement of the UE and that's why till today we don't really talk shyt about Germany and try to be as diplomatic with them as possible.
We live in an era where movement (funds, people, transportation, information etc.) is deregulated and mostly free and therefore Nationalism goes against the very idea of modernity and Europe (even if that Europe is more an economic than anything). For example, the Schengen Area allows us Europeans to travel from countries to countries (apart of that area) without the need of passports which is a beautiful thing. Nationalists if they were to prevail in some countries would bring the borders back, leave the Euro and bring back outdated currencies or end student exchange programs for example. Backwards policies all over the place.
Just to state that Nationalists caused way too much trouble in Europe to be ignored and tolerated. On top of that, they are always far-rightism and it should be (it is) a right to oppose them as any far-right movement because it is prone to clashes between countries above all in Europe. You despise Le Pen and Soral which is right but you should put Zionists in the same bag as them as their policies is in the same vein (look at Zionists in Israel and the way they treat immigrants). I agree (and said it earlier) that many hide their antisemitism and cover it with anti-zionism and it's really obvious in some photographs of "quenellists". But that's not a reason to put everybody in the same boat and drown them all.
One has the right to be anti-zionist, because it's simply the right to be anti-nationalist.
That said, we can find illogical for French people to care about what happen in Isreal. I agree. It might be because the french government has always backed up the Palestinians struggle (until Sarkozy maybe).

Well, not really accurate.long read but how accurate is this? http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/is-new-revolution-quietly-brewing-in.html
Dude is obviously a follower of that movement which mixes conspiracy theories, anti-establishment ideas, far-rights policies and (a few) leftist stuff. From what I know, Égalité & Réconciliation is a far-right movement, point-blank. Soral which is the head of it is a known antisemiste, conspiracy theorist and sexist on top of that. He went from Parti Communiste Français (far-left) to Front-National (far-right) to his own bullshyt ideology as stated in the article (right on the values and left on the labor). This dude is very eloquent, somehow really clever (he's a philosopher after all) and displays good intelligence but sees conspiracies and a jewish agenda in every corner and therefore he's dangerous. I see him more as a (political) guru.
As for the article, I saw a few words that triggered my spider-sense : Rotshchild, 9/11 Truth, AIPAC, Plutocracy, together with the CIA, elites. That's all I need to know from the author. Really.
But objectively, Égalité and Réconciliation is far from a huge movement. The website's influence is growing, their notoriety also, above all with all the quenelle scandals (Nasri issued a statement, Parker just did) but they don't matter. Dude is obviously enthusiastic about it but no there is no revolution brewing in France, no there is not a huge central party (which is the far-right's and far-left's rhetoric about the Socialist Party and the UMP being both faces of the same coin) and no there is not a bunch of "young Frenchmen looking back at the history of France since 1945 and gradually coming to the realization that the country has been rule by a arrogant cabal of plutocrats who overthrew de Gaulle in 1968 and who replaced this remarkable national leader with a protégé of the Rothschild family, Georges Pompidou"

And I'm sorry to tell dude which seems to be Muslim but there is not a soon possible wide Islam acceptance in France. France remains heavily catholic even though it's laïc and it's no where near to change.
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. It's a bootleg london underground and a very poor mans version of it, but it is so grimey I couldn't help but fall in love with it. I experienced the top 5 worst smell I've ever experienced down there so I will never be able to forget that transport system ever. The metro is etched in my brain from now on.
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And rudeness is definitely a myth. Yes Parisians kinda mind their own business usually on work hours and aren't very friendly when so, but with tourists, they're always nice.
whenever I was eating lol...and nah man, the metro was one of the highlights. I was always like
"I wonder what's gonna happen this time". I miss that about London. It's a good experience for a tourist, I guess it'd be facking annoying for a parisian. I don't dress like Kanye in the slightest (
) but I definitely felt 'overdressed' if you get what I mean? lol. I do have to say, the d'Orsey (sp?) is the best gallery I've ever been to in my life, I had such a good time looking at the painting and sculptures there, seriously, if anyone goes to Paris, go there...plus Francis Bacon is my favourite painter and they had a couple of his paintings there so the place was instantly good money in my books from then on. Also, if you say you're from England and look under 25 (i'm 25 anyway), free entry to all the galleries 
shyt was beautiful when I went. I like that Nordic feel. Amsterdam was good too but Rotterdam really was nice.



