Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - The Slotification of Liverpool is nearly complete

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He’s tired of the CR7 fan brigade :russ:

Unrelated but there is this Portuguese player fernando peyroteo from the 40s that had the most ridiculous goal to game ratio I've ever seen. Like 635 goals in 393 games :gucci:
 

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I don't know if i'm just :flabbynsick: or if this is true but i do feel the same way.
Ofcourse He's right and I blame two big factors or people for this

structured football or otherwise known as tiki taka or pep's system that emphasizes control of the game via total domination of possession above all
which forces players to play scared,safe and risk averse

second factor is the stat obsessed era led by messi and ronaldo. Players were winning ballon dor and WPOTY back in the day with stats that would be considered poverty stats by todays standard but back then football was about entertainment as much as it was about winning and fans,coaches and players alike weren't obssessed with it
 

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second factor is the stat obsessed era led by messi and ronaldo.

doubt that.

:hubie:

i think the drive for stats has been led by american sport influence (and the advance of technology).

american sport is notoriously stats focused. both to obtain insights for competitive advantage AND to build marketing narratives (to sell)



"Moneyball has also influenced and been influenced by other professional sports teams including European club association football (soccer). Beane has regarded Arsenal's former manager Arsène Wenger as a personal idol. Beane has held discussions with Wenger, former Manchester United F.C. manager Alex Ferguson, and Liverpool F.C. owner John W. Henry.[7] His friendship with ex-Arsenal scout Damien Comolli and Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke allowed him to delve deep into the world of English football.[8] According to El País, Liverpool F.C. co-owner John W. Henry did not trust public opinion so he looked for a mathematical method similar to the one used for the Boston Red Sox (in guiding them to three World Series wins) which he also owns via Fenway Sports Group.[9] The mathematical model turned out to be that of Cambridge physicist Ian Graham, which was used to select the manager (Jürgen Klopp) and players essential for Liverpool to win the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League.[10][11]"

 

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second factor is the stat obsessed era led by messi and ronaldo. Players were winning ballon dor and WPOTY back in the day with stats that would be considered poverty stats by todays standard but back then football was about entertainment
You make an excellent point. Figo, Zidane, Kaka and other winners didn’t have “impressive” stats but anyone who watched them play in their prime, would tell you their stats didn’t do them justice.

You could be recognized for your flair, skill, authority in a game without an assist or goal to show for it. Back then, defenders would win POTY (Cannavaro was the last one to I believe), because people weren’t as obsessed with stats.

While I don’t blame Ronaldo or Messi, their rivalry coupled with Tiki Taka football definitely impacted the game more negatively than positively.

I could see the tides were turning in 2010 when neither Iniesta or Sneijder won POTY in favor of Messi. How Sway??? :francis:
 
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