Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - The Slotification of Liverpool is nearly complete

[mastermind]

It's basically just that the PL got there first. Got the right people marketing/selling the league abroad early.

Don't get me wrong I generally agree that it's not good for the game, but if you look at the world outside of football, this was always going to happen. There's a lot of bitterness from Spain/Italy simply because they didn't do it first.

Is this conversation actually taking place? I ask that seriously because I don’t speak Italian or Spanish. Are they seeing what’s happening with the EPL not just being the best league in the world, but leaving dead leagues in its wake?

I barely see this convo in English.

I am not saying any of this to defend Spain and Italy and how shoddy those leagues and clubs are ran. I am only saying that the Super League in England isn’t good for the sport either.

 

[Montez]

 

[African_brehda]

Chill bro, you never got an erection over a nice piece of skill?

shyt, i nearly cum when i watch Bruno.

I think you're the weird one here.

Only Busquets side passes have any kind of effect on me

 

[African_brehda]

Haaland back at it

 

[KnowledgeDropper]

Those clubs are big but the Premier League has essentially created a 25/26 super league giving those clubs the ability to outspend all about 9/10 clubs outside of England.

Even when Fergie and Wenger were running the league it wasn't like this. The billionaires changed the game. The TV deals exploded, the billionaires came in, and the rest of Europe was done. If the league and clubs were worried about the money in the game they would established spending rules but they never did.

The league today is incredible but to get here they were letting any motherfukker buy a team for a minute (Venkys, Hicks & Gillett, Milan Mandarić, Thaksin Shinawatra) to raise the profile quickly.

What’s wrong with billionaires buying clubs, investing in stadia and the community, raising the profile of clubs, and not doing it in a way that saddles the club with debt and strips them of revenue? You should want that in a league. Let billionaires buy more teams, make leagues competitive

 

[Gilver]

Is this conversation actually taking place? I ask that seriously because I don’t speak Italian or Spanish. Are they seeing what’s happening with the EPL not just being the best league in the world, but leaving dead leagues in its wake?

I barely see this convo in English.

I am not saying any of this to defend Spain and Italy and how shoddy those leagues and clubs are ran. I am only saying that the Super League in England isn’t good for the sport either.

Definitely. It's what the ESL was all about, can't beat them, join them/get on a level playing field with them.

All i have is a lot of European football podcasts to go off, but from what I've gathered over the last few years there's a general feeling of envy from over there about how the PL has been run. Especially when things like TV deals for the league are being sought/renewed etc.

Serie A and La Liga rested on their laurels and are paying the price, and they know that. The PL saw what was coming not just in football but in the world generally, they were early on the uptake. Branding, marketing, everyone is playing catch up.

The PL was just kind of lucky that, like i think Kunty mentioned in this convo, the full crowds, atmosphere etc. It was a very easy thing to sell.

Obviously it's sad that they used the very thing that makes English football special to market it, and in turn somewhat killed it.

 

[mastermind]

Definitely. It's what the ESL was all about, can't beat them, join them/get on a level playing field with them.

All i have is a lot of European football podcasts to go off, but from what I've gathered over the last few years there's a general feeling of envy from over there about how the PL has been run. Especially when things like TV deals for the league are being sought/renewed etc.

Serie A and La Liga rested on their laurels and are paying the price, and they know that. The PL saw what was coming not just in football but in the world generally, they were early on the uptake. Branding, marketing, everyone is playing catch up.

The PL was just kind of lucky that, like i think Kunty mentioned in this convo, the full crowds, atmosphere etc. It was a very easy thing to sell.

Obviously it's sad that they used the very thing that makes English football special to market it, and in turn somewhat killed it.

The Super League in England were the first ones to fully utilize the American sports template.

But they have no interest in building up the game, just like all of our American sports leagues.

 

[Gilver]

The Super League in England were the first ones to fully utilize the American sports template.

But they have no interest in building up the game, just like all of our American sports leagues.

I mean, yeah, the PL are c*nts. I love United so I kind of have to be involved, but the real English football experience is below the PL

They basically have to be forced by bad PR to contribute to grassroots football and the EFL. There's a reason there's a huge swathe of lower league fans in England who are massively jaded/turned off by top flight football.

The ultra-shiny, heavily branded/marketed Premier League is much like leagues in the US. That's why promotion from the championship is the promised land(for the non-content lower league fans who want success), there's definitely a feeling for those people that getting to the PL is almost like becoming a franchise. You're one of the 20.

 

[mastermind]

I mean, yeah, the PL are c*nts. I love United so I kind of have to be involved, but the real English football experience is below the PL

They basically have to be forced by bad PR to contribute to grassroots football and the EFL. There's a reason there's a huge swathe of lower league fans in England who are massively jaded/turned off by top flight football.

The ultra-shiny, heavily branded/marketed Premier League is much like leagues in the US. That's why promotion from the championship is the promised land(for the non-content lower league fans who want success), there's definitely a feeling for those people that getting to the PL is almost like becoming a franchise. You're one of the 20.

And like I said before, it’s terrible for the sport.

I’m not sure what the solution is but this is not good.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Ligue 1 is competitive despite PSG hoarding a lot of talent. don't people wanna pay to watch the winning clubs?

 

[Blessings]

 

[Gilver]

4th at best.

 

[Montez]

What’s wrong with billionaires buying clubs, investing in stadia and the community, raising the profile of clubs, and not doing it in a way that saddles the club with debt and strips them of revenue? You should want that in a league. Let billionaires buy more teams, make leagues competitive

Nothing wrong with billionaires but the football model is essentially billionaires will continue to spend forever with no rules in place to control spend.

There is going to be a point where they (the richer clubs) start denying other clubs from getting that stimulus and/or creating their own rules.

 

[MikelArteta]

Lol subs better than like 80 percent of the premier league

 

[noondawg]

Nah, I’m blaming the premier league because wages are out of control thanks to them allowing nation-states to buy clubs and spend with no limits.

Barcelona and Real are terribly ran clubs, but it’s largely due to competing with England.

And the EPL doesn’t care about the sport at all. There is a reason why their media outlets were the loudest in rallying against the Super League while other leagues were like, “we get it.” That was the first time in a decade that the EPL saw a real financial threat since they vanquished as a financial competitor in the Champions League in the 2010s.

That doesn’t absolve Barca and Madrid or the Italian clubs, but we are here because the EPL has relegated everyone else to minor league status.

Although I agree that the premier league has made money no object to a degree(for example a Bournemouth have more money to offer than a top 4 Spanish club, with a 16000 stadium) that’s not why Barcelona, real are in the position they are. Is it the PL fault barca have spent around 400m on signings in the last 5 years along with crazy wages and not one has worked? Hell they spunked 30m on Malcolm for the hell of it. Same as real. Signing players and wages. @Kunty McPhuck you’d know more, but real and barca have hamstrung la liga by having not only they’re on tv deals but also take a higher % of overseas tv rights. The premier league is strong because although the top 6 are dominant, the tv money is split evenly. And this along with the fans and culture make it entertaining. Same thing with Italy. You really think the super league was proposed was because they care about saving football. Barca real juve have Mismanaged they’re finances for years and no are reaping what they sowed. Even yday Barca tried to shift blame into la liga saying they were why the couldn’t resign Messi