Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - RIP Diogo Jota

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Civilisé said:
The 90s area was definitively the moment when the French Federation decided to professionalize and centralize the sport. We historically had a strong public education system in France and the federation used this philosophy for football as well. Which means you end up with a formation open to everybody regardless of their background, including non-citizen, and FREE. Some argue that this is prime meritocracy.
This is why: 1/ The French league became basically the best youth development league and produced mad talents for other leagues and countries. 2/ Other EU countries started to copy this system in the mid 2000s. 3/ The negative consequence is that it's hard to keep the talent home and it favors a business model where local academies rely too much on richer foreign clubs.

Regarding the "diverse" aspect of the squad, it simply reflects the immigration waves in France. Anglo American media have been recently obsessed with the number of Black and Muslim in our team but it's not a new thing. People started immigrating to France in the late 1800s... Eastern europeans after WW1, then Southern Europeans, then Maghreb and Caribbean, then West Af in the 70s/80s, Central Af in the 90s/2000s. These waves were composed of mainly poor and low educated individuals, which means school success is less likely for their offsprings. So sport, not just football, is seen as a great opportunity to move faster in the social order. But it's a riskier option too.
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Not entirely true. Belgium is more Dutch/Spanish/Catalan centric than French even tho France did help in some regards buts that is more the French speaking Belgians. Can possibly argue Germany but their system feels more Dutch than French.
 
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Kunty McPhuck said:
Not entirely true. Belgium is more Dutch/Spanish/Catalan centric than French even tho France did help in some regards buts that is more the French speaking Belgians. Can possibly argue Germany but their system feels more Dutch than French.
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I admit I was simplifying a lil bit on this one. Agreed, the Dutch have been traditionally advanced when it comes to recruiting. Not sure what you mean by Dutch/Catalan centric. I guess you have the Barça youth academy in mind. In my example I was more thinking about Germany when Löw praised the French formation system as a model to follow in the mid 2000s. And by system I mean the fact to broaden your scouting base and give a chance to disadvantaged individuals at a early age. You can see this formation process being normalized today in Austria, Norway, Switzerland, etc. I believe the French model got more attention due to its success and has inspired many countries.
 
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Liu Kang said:
I know about that :stopitslime:

It's known that Griez isnt smart but brehs were hating on his footy skills not his character.
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He’s like Alexis Sanchez or Bruno in my eyes. Players who tend to slow play down.

Players I respect for their aggressive attitudes on the pitch but wouldn't want them in my team. I feel the higher in quality the team is or the less it's built around them their quality don't shine through.
 
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Montez said:
He’s like Alexis Sanchez or Bruno in my eyes. Players who tend to slow play down.

Players I respect for their aggressive attitudes on the pitch but wouldn't want them in my team. I feel the higher in quality the team is or the less it's built around them their quality don't shine through.
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Man has been balling in 2021 for Barça and the team is not built around him at all:manny:
 
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Civilisé said:
I admit I was simplifying a lil bit on this one. Agreed, the Dutch have been traditionally advanced when it comes to recruiting. Not sure what you mean by Dutch/Catalan centric. I guess you have the Barça youth academy in mind. In my example I was more thinking about Germany when Löw praised the French formation system as a model to follow in the mid 2000s. And by system I mean the fact to broaden your scouting base and give a chance to disadvantaged individuals at a early age. You can see this formation process being normalized today in Austria, Norway, Switzerland, etc. I believe the French model got more attention due to its success and has inspired many countries.
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German football completely overhauled it's whole football structure from 98-02. From who controlled the league structure went from the FA to Bundesliga/Clubs while having a positive working relationship with everyone pulling together for the same goal for football in Germany. Which is the total opposite in England even tho they have a similar structure in place. Mainly difference is the clubs care about themselves in England. The ownership structure changed, youth development and then implementing the youth into the senior teams. And that only came about due to financial problems in the league and most clubs were broke. So it forced them to play the youths more instead of the high value transfers they had been doing previously. That's why most of those young German talents who won the World Cup in 2014 had already been playing senior football for 7-8 years.

Dutch/Catalan centric basically all levels of the youth teams play the same way in formation and style as the senior teams. Pre Roberto Martinez Belgium were a 433 team since the overhaul in 2000.

The main thing taken from the French and Dutch was embracing it's immigrant/former colonies population talent pool more than done previously :mjpls:
 
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Kunty McPhuck said:
Can thank Houllier for that. I think after 98 the football syllabus is set in stone for life. The interesting thing is before Clairefontaine opened in typical French fashion it took them like 8 years to make the decision to go ahead with the academy and it took winning in 84 to actually sign off on it.

Another interesting thing about French football is all of their big name players have either born elsewhere or been sons/grandsons of immigrants. Kopa (Polish) Fontaine (Born in Morocco Spanish mother French father) Platini (Italian) Tigana (born in Mali) Luis Fernandez (born in Spain). The Djorkaeffs (Mongolian/Polish). Everyone knows the squads from 96 onwards. Even Cantona is from Spanish and Italian background.

The only French French player I can think of is JP Papin.
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I always thought Djorkaeff was Armenian?
 
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