Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - The Slotification of Liverpool is nearly complete

[Kunty McPhuck]

Glazers the main ones behind this?

The FA were the ones that let them complete the take over of United

So they can steal more money out of the club.

 

[jj23]

What the hell can the English government do

They can make life very uncomfortable for the clubs that are pushing this. It wouldn't be fair, but governments are hardly ever fair.

 

[Montez]

When it was Rashford’s cause and taking a knee it was keep politics out of football, now the politicians are running in.

With this being pushed by the American owners and them wanting it like American sports with closed league, no promotion or relegation

Do you think they will want to scrap how we buy and sell players aswell and have it like you do over there with trade offs etc ?

It’s going to change. Less €200M transfers, more swaps, wouldn’t even be surprised if they did a draft.

I think players will run down their contracts more.

 

[TobiOT]

 

[concise]

With this being pushed by the American owners and them wanting it like American sports with closed league, no promotion or relegation

Do you think they will want to scrap how we buy and sell players aswell and have it like you do over there with trade offs etc ?

of course. This will also open the door to more American investment. Look at the quotes from Robert Kraft in this article.

Kraft: 'I'd rather give to charity than invest in EPL' - CNN

 

[mastermind]

The American capitalist is the worst because they don’t believe in competition and have no loyalties.

 

[TobiOT]

These b*stards

 

[nyknick]

Bruno

 

[Djalminha]

This is very similar to what happened in European basketball. Euroleague and Euro Cup is separate from FIBAS Champions League,

This is what a league table would look like in Florentinos ideal world.

2018–19 ACB season - Wikipedia

 

[mastermind]

Unfortunately fans have Stockholm Syndrome. But if Domestic fans are serious they need not to buy season tickets not buy merchandise and hurt these clubs. These owners have shown their contempt for you it's about time you show it for them by hurting them where it hurts their pockets. Obviously like I said previously they can make this lost revenue up with their sporting roadshow but the domestic fans of these clubs can still show defiance.

English fans bark the loudest and end up spreading their cheeks and lubing themselves up. We been seeing this since Thatcher put them in cages. They won’t do shyt.

Look at the contempt Arsenal ticket holders had at the club for the fans protesting rising prices a few years ago. Those protesting fans still went to the matches. Look at Newcastle’s pathetic protests against Ashley.

The fans only hope is Germany.

 

[Liu Kang]

I dont even think the NFL system is bad per se. Just that it works in North America because there are only a handful of pro teams ultimately and the way the US structures its sports is about franchises rather than grassroots clubs. The Sonics leaving Seattle is a perfect example.

There are probably like a thousand pro footy teams in the UEFA so the promotion/relegation system is the only way to make things work.

And the gall of the proposal to schedule those games mid week thinking that leagues will bend over and keem them playing in the league on week ends They know they need domestic leagues otherwise it's a mid week circus with no meaning at all.

Why would clubs like Leicester or Napoli accept to be donkeys and play in a league where some of the clubs gets preferential treatment and no matter if they finish last or first they get to play in their closed league for billions.

Ban those 12 from playing in domestic leagues is the only rational option. Get them to fully commit to the ESL.

 

[Jmare007]

As I said in another post, the only leverage UEFA and the respective FAs have against these clubs is banning the players from domestic and international play.

Some players may be upset about that, but at the end of the day, these are professionals. If they can expect a pay raise while playing increased competition week in week out in a new format, they may definitely be down for it.

People keep missing the point. The appeal of the Champions League is just that; the storied and established clubs of Europe battling it out to see who is the best. This format gives them a chance to do that, but in a more complete league fashion. Clubs are businesses. They are only members of their respect FAs insofar as they are contracted to their leagues. There is nothing stopping them from hightailing it and forming a new league. Do you really think a league of the top 20 clubs in the world will not be more watched than a league without them?

By year 3 or 5 of the competition, I do believe it, yes. The reason is simple, only 5 of the clubs so far confirmed for the Superleague are actually considered the best in the world and have global appeal. And what makes them have that global appeal is the fact they dominate in their countries and have storied rivalries there. That's why they get the best player and spend so much money.

Once you take domestic play out of the equation, you take away the illusion of meritocracy for fans in each country. And most importantly, without a domestic competition, the large majority of clubs in the Superleague lose all of their appeal. Who is gonna give a shyt about Arsenal or a Milan that hasn't done shyt in a decade playing Real Madrid in 2025 when they do it every year? There's no novelty to it anymore and there's nothing that proves those are the best clubs in Europe because they literally wouldn't be competing in their countries. A club like Manchester City became bigger because it started to win in their country, you take that away from them and they become a hollow "big" club because they haven't won shyt in Europe.

That's why they rely so much on UEFA/FIFA letting them stay in their FA's competitions. Without that shyt this superleague will not be a Champion's League 2.0, it's gonna be Entitled 5 Clubs play against each other like it's an international friendly tournament in a FIFA video game. The project can't stand on it's own and these big clubs are betting on being so big that the rest of the continent will bow down to them and let them have their cake and eat it too. If they succeed, good for them, but if they are left by their own devices, they will fail sooner rather than later.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

i said current form. Nobody cares about NFL pre-Super Bowl era. Many of the franchises weren't around. There's no loyalty to the Jaguars and families haven't lived in the same area for nearly as long.. it's a country of transplants.

NHL isn't "American" only.. most of the teams that matter are Canadian. That's why i didn't mention them. imagine Montreal and Toronto leaving and Ottawa and Calgary left behind with no chance of winning the Cup. Canadian people would say that's dumb as hell..

I'm American and this is 100% a crock of shyt. Places like Carolina, Tennessee, Jacksonville and Arizona were over the fukking moon to get NFL teams. Almost every NFL game sells out or nearly does REGARDLESS of a teams place in the league. And people HAVE lived in those places for HUNDREDS of years. But what you fail to understand is people take their team loyalty WITH them. There's plenty of Giants fans that live in Ohio for instance..that doesn't mean the Bengals don't have millions of fans...because they do.

Also, your NHL argument is dumb as hell to considering the last Canadian team to win the stanley cup was Edmonton in 1990
The NY Rangers, Pittsburgh Penguins, Detroit Red Wings, Boston Bruins, Washington Capitals, Jersey Devils and Chicago Blackhawks have ALL been more relevant and made more money than Canadian teams for the past 20 years. You are talking out of your ass.

But to your point, if the NHL made this choice it would be basically Original Six, Pittsburgh, Washington and probably a couple west coast teams. But the set up isn't the same. The most profitable teams have also been the most successful in the past 20 years. The same isn't so for the Super League where Arsenal, Spurs, Man U and even Liverpool have all been mediocre for the better part of a decade.

that's the thing....there was always hope that one small team would break through.

look at Norwich for example. When I first went to England in like 2005 they were relegated so we went for cheap...now they're in the fukking PL this year

Teams like that that vacillate between Premier and Championship level always made it exciting.

They don't want another Leicester even though that was the best story in the EPL since "AGUEROOOOOOOOO".

But look at who OWNS Leicester.

I personally think this is a way for them to keep China/Asia money out of western football.

 

[concise]

This is very similar to what happened in European basketball. Euroleague and Euro Cup is separate from FIBAS Champions League,

This is what a league table would look like in Florentinos ideal world.

2018–19 ACB season - Wikipedia

 

[King Theo]

all these owners are shytty humans. but the americans have to be on another level. so you go to another country to buy a team (we have teams here) you arent satisfied that you actually have to invest in the team like a real busines. you use the teams as a cash cow for youre other franchises. Yet you think some how you should never be at risk of being relegated or missing out on European football. then you are on a call with uefa and you know whats about to happen and you still want to talk about FFP as if your LEGACY team cant spend money and others cant. what a bunch a shyt.

lets be honest for how big US is the structure of our leagues is shyt in comparison. i think promotion and relgation is one of the most beautiful things in sport. when i started supporting city i never really thought we would win PL anytime soon it was a shot in teh dark to me. now many fans/players/staff of many clubs wont even be able to dream. and if youre not able to dream whats the point. as exciting as it is to watch city and united face off in PL or barca madrid. its just as moving when you lose to the stokes and sunderlands on a jammy goal and just as exciting when you win there away.

b b but theo what about city. THEY CAN fukk OFF TOO! honestly its made me lose any type of excitement for this years potential trophies. im sure it will return next week if we are even allowed to participate. but this is a shyt show.


with that said i can see chelsea and city making a U-Turn in the next week. they have the luxury of being backed into a corner and that being published. this especially if UEFA truly tries to sanction them THIS season by removing them same goes for if PL does the same. fukkERY IS AFOOT