Liverpool's midfield was
atrocious when he arrived and yet Klopp got his new team to a Europa League Final in his
first season
and to a league cup final.
Europa League Final 2016 line-ups.
He added Winaldum and (no one's pick for an amazing player) and got to a Champions League final in 2018.
Point being that it's hard to judge a team when the players are managed badly and a good manager can make players play better.
It's not just about Klopp and Pep anyway. I named many managers who are doing better with nominally worse players or more importantly who have imposed a pro-active style even though some of their players are not ready for it. Lampard for example.
MU have been in relegation form since he was appointed permanent manager with around 1.1 points per game. That PSG match was the last away win. No way is the squad that bad. There is no clear pattern of play.
You are somehow suggesting here that player performance (or lack thereof) is an objective assessment of how good they are in isolation but I do not agree. Wolves and Watford should demonstrate that there is more to performance than "how good a player is".
Ole is failing at the basics, which is as expected from a manager whose solitary EPL achievement was to get a team relegated..
The list of his mistakes is extensive and getting longer all the time. You have his inability to get the team to do complex things like pressing as a team or carving out opportunities and you have basics like his poor in-game management and his squad management. He is overplaying Rashford so surprise surprise he gets a stress injury. He keeps playing Mata and Matic in a team which he wants to press. He said he didnt want Lukaku, Fellaini when the team needs them. Some of the "rubbish" players that have left which Ole couldn't get to win against two relegated teams at the end of the season are now performing well for their new clubs. He puts young on set pieces... He had that penalty taker issue.. He got rid of Smalling when he was the most reliable+robust backup defender at the club. Note that Maguire's main weakness is a lack of speed. He keeps playing Pogba as a DLP.
The odd thing is the lengths to which people go to make excuses for him. The good thing is that there is no hiding. He is so ill-suited to the position that his performance is guaranteed to fall far shorter than that which could reasonably be expected from the squad.
Next three games ...