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Coutinho is to replace Iniesta, no?

Only if they going w/ a 4231 or plays the Dutch 433 which is more of a variant of a 4231

Iniesta plays from a deeper position and has done so for his whole career for Barca, w/ Spain he played out on the left wing., Coutinho is a LW/AM
 

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Its not a like-for-like. Inesta is a creator while Coutinho usually makes for himself. He'll have to learn to be more of a creative force, especially if Dembele comes in as well.

Only if they going w/ a 4231 or plays the Dutch 433 which is more of a variant of a 4231

Iniesta plays from a deeper position and has done so for his whole career for Barca, w/ Spain he played out on the left wing., Coutinho is a LW/AM

IMO, Coutinho is a better midfielder than a winger. They'll still need Dembele if they want a player to play that Neymar style. Unless they plan on moving away from that.


Every club is a selling club till Barca, Madrid, PSG say's otherwise. :mjcry:

Hell, PSG finessed even barca :wow:
 

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IMO, Coutinho is a better midfielder than a winger. They'll still need Dembele if they want a player to play that Neymar style. Unless they plan on moving away from that.

I cannot remember Coutinho playing at any time as a CM. There has to be a reason to why Klopp, choose Lallana over Coutinho to do that role last season. Coutinho may do al right in that role vs the Alves, Gijon and teams of that ilk, but I think he'll get exposed when he comes up vs Real and the good CL teams tbh.
 

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I cannot remember Coutinho playing at any time as a CM. There has to be a reason to why Klopp, choose Lallana over Coutinho to do that role last season. Coutinho may do al right in that role vs the Alves, Gijon and teams of that ilk, but I think he'll get exposed when he comes up vs Real and the good CL teams tbh.


not CM. Attacking midfield. That's where he plays in the Brazil NT, or?
 

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not CM. Attacking midfield. That's where he plays in the Brazil NT, or?

Yes, but Barca's main formation has been 433, 1 DM 2 CM's in midfield for like forever, with the odd 343 being played. Last time without checking they didnt play 433 was under Bobby Robson 20 years ago, when it was a 442/4411/4231 variant.
 

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That's what happens when you have no academy growth

To be honest that shyt is a cycle. Barca probably going have to wait another 15-20 years to get anything as good they had w/ Iniesta, Messi, Pique & Fabregas. Just like United have never really recreated from the Class of 92 or Ajax have done in the early to mid 90's. They did have a good crop when VdV, Sneijdar, Ibra were together, but outside of Ibra the rest of them have had disappointing careers in all fairness.
 

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To be honest that shyt is a cycle. Barca probably going have to wait another 15-20 years to get anything as good they had w/ Iniesta, Messi, Pique & Fabregas. Just like United have never really recreated from the Class of 92 or Ajax have done in the early to mid 90's. They did have a good crop when VdV, Sneijdar, Ibra were together, but outside of Ibra the rest of them have had disappointing careers in all fairness.

Sneijder had an excellent career.
Maxwell a great career.
Christian chivu had a good career.
Vdv played at RM couldve had a great career but is lazy.
ibra is a legend.
 

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Sneijder had an excellent career.
Maxwell a great career.
Christian chivu had a good career.
Vdv played at RM couldve had a great career but is lazy.
ibra is a legend.

Like I said they had a good crop

Sneijder aint done shyt since 2010. Had that amazing 09/10 season then gave up. He was so bad and such a money whore that no-one in the top 5 leagues would touch him, when he was looking to leave Inter.
Maxwell, I'll give you
Chivu had a good career, but was too injury prone.
VdV makes Humpty Dumpty look like Ironman
 

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To be honest that shyt is a cycle. Barca probably going have to wait another 15-20 years to get anything as good they had w/ Iniesta, Messi, Pique & Fabregas. Just like United have never really recreated from the Class of 92 or Ajax have done in the early to mid 90's. They did have a good crop when VdV, Sneijdar, Ibra were together, but outside of Ibra the rest of them have had disappointing careers in all fairness.

Sneijder had an excellent career.
Maxwell a great career.
Christian chivu had a good career.
Vdv played at RM couldve had a great career but is lazy.
ibra is a legend.

@Kunty McPhuck is right. That shyt was a once in a generation thing. La Masia had literally all time greats come out of the school within 5 years of each other. We won't see that again, IMO ever. But the homegrown talent is lax all around in Europe, there's no incentive to get young kids and train them up when you can just use your TV deal money to get the best players that can fit in damn near any system.

Tiki-Taka worked because it built upon Total Football, a system which Barcelona, and by proxy Spain, had been perfecting for the better part of 25 years before Pep took Barca to the promised land. That 25 years of youth and team development, 25 years than literally is being unmade in front of us because of the sheer money involved in the game. Name me any team that's going to be ok with 20+ years of development even if it means a decade of dominance.
 

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Im not disputing what @Kunty McPhuck is saying just pointing out that Ajax generation had a better career then just only Ibra.
Sneijder won a treble (arguebly shouldve won a BDR that year) and is a WC finalist. Hardly can call that a bad career.
 

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@Kunty McPhuck is right. That shyt was a once in a generation thing. La Masia had literally all time greats come out of the school within 5 years of each other. We won't see that again, IMO ever. But the homegrown talent is lax all around in Europe, there's no incentive to get young kids and train them up when you can just use your TV deal money to get the best players that can fit in damn near any system.

Tiki-Taka worked because it built upon Total Football, a system which Barcelona, and by proxy Spain, had been perfecting for the better part of 25 years before Pep took Barca to the promised land. That 25 years of youth and team development, 25 years than literally is being unmade in front of us because of the sheer money involved in the game. Name me any team that's going to be ok with 20+ years of development even if it means a decade of dominance.

Just to add on. If you look at Germany, who restructured their whole football from top to bottom in 2000 they won the world cup 14years later. And began to see the fruits 4 years earlier of the youth development. Even in the last 12months they have gotten to the Olympic final and won the Euro u21 with a half and half squad and also won the confederations cup with half of the players eligible from the u21 squad. Now 17 years later they can now produce 3-4 different squads to win the various tournaments at senior level.

And even in the rebuild they still managed to make a 1 world cup final, 1 Euro final and a world cup semi final.
 
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