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They should leave Ole in charge .. give him a chance to show what he can do.

They jumped the gun by giving Ole the job in the first place. Then they jumped the gun by giving him an extension.

Maybe they will let things play out this time.

Let's bust some myths about Manchester United

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Ole has build a great side

Did he? He spent 180m in a defense that leaks more then the Titanic. This year and last year most expensive signings are rotting on the bench. I describe his second transfer window as the invisible transfer window simply because none of the players we bought were given a first team shot. Its too early to judge his third transfer window but the most expensive signing made last summer is rotting on the bench alongside last year most expensive signing. That doesn't strike me as him building a great side.

Ole believes in youths

Apart from Greenwood none of the kids he promoted had a sniff of first team football. Ole went on signing the likes of Heaton and Mcshane at reserve level + he gave/offered contract extensions to Matic, Grant, Jesse and Mata despite United already have players like Mejbri, Garner, Elanga and Diallo at his disposal. That doesn't strike me as a manager who believes in youths

Trust the process. This is a team for the future

Not exactly. DDG, Ronaldo, Cavani, Matic, Mata and Heaton are in their 30s. Varane, Bruno, Pogba, Maguire, Fred, Lindelof, Telles and Jesse are in their late 20s. This team is designed to win NOW.

Workrate, Workrate, Workrate

Work rate is a trait. You can't possibly expect a Cristiano Ronaldo or a Greenwood to suddenly start playing like prime Park or Keane did. Ole had ample opportunities to add a much needed DM to the team. He chose to sign the likes of VDB, Sancho and Ronaldo to the team despite we already had the likes of Martial, Pogba, Bruno, Rashford and Cavani in the team as well. This unbalanced side is his side.
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RedCafe? :usure: it's all starting to make sense.

I do think we should bring Garner back from Forest though if we don't buy a DM:jbhmm:
 
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Yeah. After reading some of the English backpages I think he's gone. Lots of talk about Conte with one even claiming there's been an agreement. I can see them getting him in before January in time to assess the squad.
 

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Yeah. After reading some of the English backpages I think he's gone. Lots of talk about Conte with one even claiming there's been an agreement. I can see them getting him in before January in time to assess the squad.
Source on the Conte agreement?

I've seen the sky italy lads(and other Italian journos) are working overtime doing PR for Conte because they'd like him at United.

Those with actual sources at the club are saying we're not too high on him. But that's strange in itself as usually the club wouldn't brief that they don't want someone while we still have a manager, so who knows.
 
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Source on the Conte agreement?

I've seen the sky italy lads(and other Italian journos) are working overtime doing PR for Conte because they'd like him at United.

Those with actual sources at the club are saying we're not too high on him. But that's strange in itself as usually the club wouldn't brief that they don't want someone while we still have a manager, so who knows.





If he's lost the dressing room and can't seem to mediate between Ronaldo and the youngsters as what's being reported, I think he's as good as gone

Inside Manchester United's dressing room unrest - and why players lost faith in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s dwindling authority at Manchester United has suffered another severe blow with a deflated dressing room losing faith in the manager’s ability to take the club forward.

Solskjaer remains well liked on a personal level by the players and there is none of the toxicity that marked the end of Jose Mourinho’s reign as United manager, nor is he an unpopular figure among the squad like Louis van Gaal.

But a calamitous past week, during which time United conceded 11 goals in three games and were humiliated 5-0 by great rivals Liverpool, has only deepened the feeling in the dressing room that Solskjaer has outstayed his welcome and that change is necessary if the club is serious about challenging for the biggest trophies.

Solskjaer’s tactical acumen, selections, reluctance to make big decisions and indulgence of underperforming players and star names have all been called into question by players as United’s season unravels.

It is understood that Eric Bailly openly challenged Solskjaer in the aftermath of the wretched 4-2 defeat at Leicester when he reputedly asked the manager “why he picked a centre-half who was not fit”. Bailly was overlooked for Harry Maguire, who started despite having only had one training session on the grass after three weeks out with a calf injury and his patent lack of fitness showed during an error strewn display. Maguire kept his place against Atalanta and Liverpool, despite similarly poor showings.

Bailly was one of several players to question some of Solskjaer’s decisions during a frank exchange of views before the Atalanta game last Wednesday. One senior player is understood to have asked why Donny van de Beek, who has made just four league starts in his 14 months at Old Trafford, has been routinely passed over. Others have questioned why Jesse Lingard has been frozen out and why others, such as Nemanja Matic, have been used so sparingly when the form of so many regulars has been so poor, with concerns raised about the tendency to keep repeating the same mistakes and the “favouritism” shown to some.

Several sources have pointed out that, in addition to the lack of cohesion defensively, there is a glaring disconnect between the team’s glittering array of attacking players best reflected in their work out of possession. “You won’t find one player who doesn’t like Ole on a personal level, he’s a nice guy, but we’re at a stage where players have lost trust in his tactics and lost trust in his selections,” one source said.

Cristiano Ronaldo has been left alarmed by United’s dramatic slump in form and the lack of understanding with Mason Greenwood has not gone unnoticed by team-mates. Greenwood has been one of United’s better performers this season but Ronaldo has struggled to strike up a rapport with the 20-year-old on the pitch and has been exasperated at times by some of the striker’s decision-making. Ronaldo seemed to hint at tensions with some of the club’s younger players during an interview with Canadian streaming service DAZN before the Liverpool game.

“I don’t mean only in football, this new generation since probably 1995 they are thinking different, the life, the football, the struggles, this has to come from inside of you," Ronaldo said."You have to accept some times that you don’t agree with. I remember in our generation, 1985, it was more difficult to play in the first team. I remember how tough it was to play for Manchester United and even in the national team but if you see around the world now things are coming a little bit easier and they don’t appreciate the lot. This is my point of view.”

Solskjaer is thought to have responded to some of the questions thrown down by players by urging them to trust him. He reiterated those calls in the dressing room in the wake of the Liverpool debacle by telling them to “fight” their way back from the brink.

Yet the feeling in the dressing room was that Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp had exposed Solskjaer’s limitations and poor in-game management as United were taken apart by the Merseyside club. There was, for example, said to be disbelief among some of the squad that United started with the same team against Liverpool that had been cut open defensively by Atalanta only four days earlier.

One senior figure at Old Trafford admitted on Monday that United had been “let off lightly” by Liverpool, who were already leading 5-0 by the time Paul Pogba was sent off on the hour mark for a studs-up lunge at Naby Keita only 15 minutes after coming on that encapsulated the team’s indiscipline.

The shambolic performance raised the most pressing questions yet about Solskjaer’s tactical acumen and the quality of coaching United’s players are getting. Yet it was suggested going into the game that United’s coaching staff were convinced they had devised a plan that would stop Liverpool after working specifically on the shape of the team. What followed was one of the most disheveled, error strewn performances in United’s modern history.

Solskjaer has styled himself more as a general manager and invariably left Kieran McKenna, his young first team coach, to drive training. But there is concern among the players that they need a lot more if United are going to challenge Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City at the top.

Luke Shaw echoed the thoughts of many in the dressing room when he claimed that the Liverpool result had “been coming” and Solskjaer now faces his biggest fight yet to convince his players he is the right man to drag United out of this hole.
 

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If he's lost the dressing room and can't seem to mediate between Ronaldo and the youngsters as what's being reported, I think he's as good as gone

Inside Manchester United's dressing room unrest - and why players lost faith in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s dwindling authority at Manchester United has suffered another severe blow with a deflated dressing room losing faith in the manager’s ability to take the club forward.

Solskjaer remains well liked on a personal level by the players and there is none of the toxicity that marked the end of Jose Mourinho’s reign as United manager, nor is he an unpopular figure among the squad like Louis van Gaal.

But a calamitous past week, during which time United conceded 11 goals in three games and were humiliated 5-0 by great rivals Liverpool, has only deepened the feeling in the dressing room that Solskjaer has outstayed his welcome and that change is necessary if the club is serious about challenging for the biggest trophies.

Solskjaer’s tactical acumen, selections, reluctance to make big decisions and indulgence of underperforming players and star names have all been called into question by players as United’s season unravels.

It is understood that Eric Bailly openly challenged Solskjaer in the aftermath of the wretched 4-2 defeat at Leicester when he reputedly asked the manager “why he picked a centre-half who was not fit”. Bailly was overlooked for Harry Maguire, who started despite having only had one training session on the grass after three weeks out with a calf injury and his patent lack of fitness showed during an error strewn display. Maguire kept his place against Atalanta and Liverpool, despite similarly poor showings.

Bailly was one of several players to question some of Solskjaer’s decisions during a frank exchange of views before the Atalanta game last Wednesday. One senior player is understood to have asked why Donny van de Beek, who has made just four league starts in his 14 months at Old Trafford, has been routinely passed over. Others have questioned why Jesse Lingard has been frozen out and why others, such as Nemanja Matic, have been used so sparingly when the form of so many regulars has been so poor, with concerns raised about the tendency to keep repeating the same mistakes and the “favouritism” shown to some.

Several sources have pointed out that, in addition to the lack of cohesion defensively, there is a glaring disconnect between the team’s glittering array of attacking players best reflected in their work out of possession. “You won’t find one player who doesn’t like Ole on a personal level, he’s a nice guy, but we’re at a stage where players have lost trust in his tactics and lost trust in his selections,” one source said.

Cristiano Ronaldo has been left alarmed by United’s dramatic slump in form and the lack of understanding with Mason Greenwood has not gone unnoticed by team-mates. Greenwood has been one of United’s better performers this season but Ronaldo has struggled to strike up a rapport with the 20-year-old on the pitch and has been exasperated at times by some of the striker’s decision-making. Ronaldo seemed to hint at tensions with some of the club’s younger players during an interview with Canadian streaming service DAZN before the Liverpool game.

“I don’t mean only in football, this new generation since probably 1995 they are thinking different, the life, the football, the struggles, this has to come from inside of you," Ronaldo said."You have to accept some times that you don’t agree with. I remember in our generation, 1985, it was more difficult to play in the first team. I remember how tough it was to play for Manchester United and even in the national team but if you see around the world now things are coming a little bit easier and they don’t appreciate the lot. This is my point of view.”

Solskjaer is thought to have responded to some of the questions thrown down by players by urging them to trust him. He reiterated those calls in the dressing room in the wake of the Liverpool debacle by telling them to “fight” their way back from the brink.

Yet the feeling in the dressing room was that Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp had exposed Solskjaer’s limitations and poor in-game management as United were taken apart by the Merseyside club. There was, for example, said to be disbelief among some of the squad that United started with the same team against Liverpool that had been cut open defensively by Atalanta only four days earlier.

One senior figure at Old Trafford admitted on Monday that United had been “let off lightly” by Liverpool, who were already leading 5-0 by the time Paul Pogba was sent off on the hour mark for a studs-up lunge at Naby Keita only 15 minutes after coming on that encapsulated the team’s indiscipline.

The shambolic performance raised the most pressing questions yet about Solskjaer’s tactical acumen and the quality of coaching United’s players are getting. Yet it was suggested going into the game that United’s coaching staff were convinced they had devised a plan that would stop Liverpool after working specifically on the shape of the team. What followed was one of the most disheveled, error strewn performances in United’s modern history.

Solskjaer has styled himself more as a general manager and invariably left Kieran McKenna, his young first team coach, to drive training. But there is concern among the players that they need a lot more if United are going to challenge Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City at the top.

Luke Shaw echoed the thoughts of many in the dressing room when he claimed that the Liverpool result had “been coming” and Solskjaer now faces his biggest fight yet to convince his players he is the right man to drag United out of this hole.

Hmm, I'll take the first one with a pinch of salt given the origin. Like i say they're on a PR mission atm.

Talksport don't have a clue, they're just parroting the line everyone else is saying.

Don't get me wrong I can see it all being true but there's only a few sources I actually trust with United stuff.
 

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As much as I hate Arsenal’s hierarchy, I’m so glad Wenger isn’t still influencing decisions. They really wheeled Fergie out to play mediator.

Like we've been saying. Ole is not the only problem at United. The decision makers have no clue which is why they're rolling out Fergie. Surprised they havent told Fergie to take charge till the end of the season.
 
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Hmm, I'll take the first one with a pinch of salt given the origin. Like i say they're on a PR mission atm.

Talksport don't have a clue, they're just parroting the line everyone else is saying.

Don't get me wrong I can see it all being true but there's only a few sources I actually trust with United stuff.

Fair enough. Fergie bought Ole some time I think, but in the miraculous scenario that he gets good results in the next three, that doesn't change the fact that the board are gonna always be wary of another result like Sunday and indefinitely have their finger on the trigger. Conte's name is gonna be running in the tabloids for the rest of his tenure. He's a deadman walking in my eyes.
 
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