Ukbrotha
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Donny just scored for Holland.
Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - RIP Diogo Jota
Ukbrotha
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Piffiztheanswer
L'immortale
Damn liverpool whole squad getting raped by injuries
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I can't believe FDB failed at a (very good, but still) MLS team and moved into that job.
If your last three jobs went "fail at a top Italian team," "fail at a mid-table PL team," and "fail at a MLS team," how the fukk do you walk into the Netherlands job like that? Winning a bunch of Eredivisies at Ajax was a long time ago by this point.
If your last three jobs went "fail at a top Italian team," "fail at a mid-table PL team," and "fail at a MLS team," how the fukk do you walk into the Netherlands job like that? Winning a bunch of Eredivisies at Ajax was a long time ago by this point.
Kunty McPhuck
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Read this and you'll understand why.
The decline of Holland: how Dutch are doomed by total obsession with past | Priya Ramesh
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I was reading a Jonathan Wilson book about how the Dutch basically believe in playing Total Football above all else, win or lose, and that they take it as a point of national pride to play "the right way" over winning. There was a bunch of stuff about how they were much more physical in the 2010 World Cup and even though they made it to the final, the papers and supporters shyt on the team for how they played.
So this article tracks with that book and leaves the idea that the Dutch are just trying to relive the Johan Cruyff 1970s more than anything else when it comes to football, and that they look to make hires of people who are somehow connected to Cruyff's managerial tree.
Thanks for the article; it was very good.
MLS was not really a complete failure. That combined with people looking down on MLS kept him viable
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They won a U.S. Cup and a Campeones Cup, but I don't think that overrides that FDB never figured out how to work Pity Martinez into that squad and kept trying to impose a style on them that they weren't very good at. I think the equivalent in England - winning an FA Cup and a Community Shield - would be considered a failure if the formerly championship-level squad were much worse while still having a highly-paid and talented group of players, even considering that Josef Martinez got hurt in the first game this season.
I did want to ask why people looking down on MLS would keep him viable, though. Wouldn't not being able to cut it in a lesser league make him less viable? I'm legit just wondering about your perspective on this.
blues_funk_reggae
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Liverpool may catch the beats in 10 days against Leicester.
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I don’t think it’s fair to say they were much worse. They fell just short of the Eastern Finals and won 2 of the other 3 comps they were in. They looked much different but a lot of that was the departure of Miggy because he’s just so different. They were wildly inconsistent but they were playing better and Pity was playing well towards the back end of 2019 and at least got a decent start in 2020 before Josef got hurt. I’m not an FDB apologist but I think he’s catching a bad rap for the on field stuff but clearly the front office deserve some shyt as well. It was a bad hire/fit more than him failing.
On the second I think it’s easier to explain away the bumps in the road for MLS when it’s a salary cap league and he won two comps overall. If you look at it he lost he’s job because of back room stuff more than on field. I think that’s easier to explain away to the Dutch when you are well respected there.