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So lemme get this straight :jbhmm:

Lucas Matthysse has only had one fight at 147, yet he's already ranked...

#2 by the WBO
#4 by the WBA
#8 by the WBC

How in the holy blue hell do they come up with these fukking rankings :deadrose:

stop asking so many questions...we trying to light up a stagnant 147..its for the best :jawalrus:
 

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canelo vs jr was marketed as a grudge match..it was supposed to be a special fight..a fight that actually had FOTY buzz before it happened..a rarity for a canelo or Jr match..you had great mexican fighters shyt on the fight because of how it turned out..it was a DUD...shyt lemieux beating former Jr opponent reyes senseless was more of a war...i was more concerned of Reyes being seriously hurt from 10 rounds with lemieux than Jr goin 12 with canelo..thank god for Lucas showing us what offensive hurt is suppose to look like when dished out :ohlawd:


Show me one great Mexican fighter saying anything about Canelo's performance vs Chavez being underwhelming:sas2:
 

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my favorite article about canelo-jr - Canelo vs. Chavez Jr. results and post-fight analysis

so much truth :wow:

You have to give it to HBO - they know how to promote a fight. When Canelo Alvarez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. was first announced, it was met with cries of derision. And yet somehow, over the past few weeks, HBO managed to build real interest and make fans (myself included) think this was an exciting fight. It wasn’t. It was exactly what you thought it would be when you first heard about it. And that is not good.


Look, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. has not shown up to fight in... ever? His trademark fight is one where he did nothing for 10.5 rounds, came alive when his opponent was injured late in the fight, and still lost. We heard he was motivated for this fight. Who knows, maybe he was. Maybe the skill gap meant that motivation didn’t matter. We don’t know. But we do know that Canelo had his way with Chavez and that Chavez never at any point even remotely came close to succeeding and never even fought with the kind of rough inside style that could perhaps give him any prayer in the fight.

Everyone comes out of this looking terrible. Canelo for taking this fight, Chavez for fighting with no heart, Chavez’s famed trainer Nacho Beristain for that fight plan, HBO for promoting this, me for telling you it might be good.

What an awful, awful fight.

AND THEN...

Canelo calls out Golovkin, they show a pre-made GGG hype video in the arena, Golovkin comes to the ring complete with walk-out music like he’s a WWE champion, and it’s on - Canelo Alvarez vs. Gennady Golovkin September 16. Which is amazing. It really is - the biggest fight in boxing today. That announcement was tremendous, and the hype will be deservedly huge. But did we just pay $70 to watch one guy spar in preparation for a fight that was already signed? It certainly seems so.


Thoughts on the rest of the night:

  • Boxing is a brutal sport, and sometimes, we get fights that really remind us of that savagery. David Lemieux vs. Marcos Reyes was just that - brutal. After 3 rounds, it looked like a Lemieux KO was coming at any second, as he battered a bloody Reyes around the ring. But Reyes simply would not go down. Over 10 rounds, he ate what CompuBox called 145 shots from one of the pound for pound hardest punchers in the game today, and he refused to give in. Lemieux started the fight hot, going for the fast KO in order to impress, but once it became clear Reyes has a granite chin, he settled down, boxed, and took the fight back into hand, fighting a very different but still dominant fight over the second half. Reyes had his moments, right up until literally the final bell, but this was easily Lemieux’s fight.
  • Lucas Matthysse returned after 19 months and a suspected retirement, but you wouldn’t know he had been away from this performance. This was Matthysse at his best, as he outboxed Emanuel Taylor and landed heavy, serious shots starting from the opening bell. Taylor was rocked in pretty much every round. He went down in round 3, again in round 5, and though he made it back to his feet, referee Jay Nady wisely waved things off. Matthysse has the kind of style that people want to see, and tonight, he showed that he still has that in him. Expect to see him in another feature fight on HBO next time. I would love to see him in there against Amir Khan myself.
  • PPV opener Joseph Diaz Jr. vs. Manuel Avila was a perfectly acceptable professional boxing match. Diaz is moving up the ranks, and he had a solid performance here against a game opponent, while Avila showed that he belongs in the talks of prospects as well. Diaz showed off his technique and movement, particularly as the fight moved into the later rounds and he heated up. That said, this never really got going in any meaningful way. It was not bad, but it was not particularly good. Just... there. It happened. And there you have it.
 

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it takes to 2 to tango breh...both fighters share blame....just like you're mentioning with GGG-Lemieux

I cant blame Lemieux....Im blaming GGG for turning in a jab fest. Lemieux didn't do that.


Lemieux always fights fire with fire in every fight. How can I blame him, bc GGG went safety first?



Canelo went after Chavez Jr, hitting him with all kinds of shots. Cant blame him for Chavez being strong enough to take the beating he took, but scared enough to not let his hands go.



GGG vs Lemieux was more like Wright/Trinidad than a Hagler/Hearns yall told us it would be.....your boy didn't hold us his end of the bargain:yeshrug:


“I’m very excited for October 17. This is my time, at Madison Square Garden where I’ve had a lot of fights; it’s amazing for me,” he said to fighthype.com.


“I’m more focused and I know my job. My focus is 100% on my job for a true fight, an original fight! This is not a game. It’s very important (to determine) who is number one in middleweight division.

“It’s like a very long time ago and [fights like] Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hearns. It’s the same, same style; old school, this is old school!,” he said.


Golovkin Looking to Emulate Hagler/Hearns vs. David Lemieux - Boxing News
"He's a dangerous puncher, he's a dangerous guy. He's the kind of guy, similar to Golovkin, that the fans really want to see. He's going to put on the kind of fights that we as fans have been expecting and want to see," said Sanchez. "We're not going to have a dance, we're not going to have a waltz, we're not going to have a hugging contest. We're going to have a fight with two guys in front of each other trying to go for the throat, like David put it."

As for the biggest puncher, Sanchez said Curtis Stevens -- whom Golovkin beat thoroughly in 2013 -- was a better puncher than Lemieux, but not a better fighter.

"I think Lemieux is the biggest threat we've fought so far. Not necessarily the biggest puncher, I think Curtis may have been the bigger puncher. But David has reenergized himself. I think Marc Ramsay has done a heck of a job in the last four years with him, and he's in a position to take over the world, and he knows it."


As for the fight itself, Golovkin-Lemieux has generated a lot of buzz for its knockout and action potential, with two big middleweight punchers set to collide. Sanchez even brought up another all-time great middleweight bout in comparison.

"I think it's a Hagler-Hearns kind of fight, three or four rounds, balls out," he said. "David doesn't take a step back, Golovkin's obviously not gonna take a step back. They're gonna hit each other, and they're both big hitters. The guy that lands the first significant punch is gonna be able to finish off the other guy."

Sanchez: GGG-Lemieux will be like Hagler-Hearns



GGG then throws 549 punches.....with 359 of them being jabs:dead:
 
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“I really want to know how much there is to make and he should come to 124. Money talks, [expletive] walks. If you give me the right money, we’ll do it. But in our reality, I’m the king of 122 and he’s 126 so we must meet in the middle.

“One and a half million for a Lomachenko fight is too little and I think it should be more,” Rigondeaux said. “Top Rank [Lomachenko’s promoter] is just too cheap.”

New Roc Nation fighter Guillermo Rigondeaux says he's ready for Vasyl Lomachenko






Turn down $1.5 million when you can barely get on TV brehs:manny:

this is why I laugh at the rigo fans dude has to have the worst management in boxing and yet everyone claims he's been duck or blackballed naw he just has bad management lol what 118 fighter turns down this kinda pay day
 

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Rigo already turned down a $1.5 million offer to face Loma at 126....at this point, he's just scratching his nails at the wall realizing that the ship has sailed for him and Loma doesn't go backwards in weight. PBL is already talking about going up to 135 after a couple more fights.:yeshrug:



Rigo hasn't even fought at 126, no way he goes to 130 at 37 years old to face a prime Loma:manny:

I think if it were that simple the fight would've got made. They were trying to "Nicholas Walters" him to me but Rigo said nah.
 

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“I really want to know how much there is to make and he should come to 124. Money talks, [expletive] walks. If you give me the right money, we’ll do it. But in our reality, I’m the king of 122 and he’s 126 so we must meet in the middle.

“One and a half million for a Lomachenko fight is too little and I think it should be more,” Rigondeaux said. “Top Rank [Lomachenko’s promoter] is just too cheap.”

New Roc Nation fighter Guillermo Rigondeaux says he's ready for Vasyl Lomachenko






Turn down $1.5 million when you can barely get on TV brehs:manny:

I don't trust Arum fammo
 

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I think if it were that simple the fight would've got made. They were trying to "Nicholas Walters" him to me but Rigo said nah.

Rigo is Nicholas Walters'-ing himself.



He refuses to move up from 122 (a fight between Rigo & GRJ at 126 would be :whew: ), and when he gets placed on TV, he never forces the issue. He just waits for his opponent to come to him, and if they don't, he doesn't go after them at all....which bores the fans. Even Andrade learned from that and started seeking KOs, but Rigo just talks about it. Hopefully, he KOs Flores or at least tries to get him out of there when he has him hurt.



If Walters got the opportunities Rigo has had, Im sure he would've been much more successful with it bc outside of Loma beating the fight out of him, Walters comes to KO someone.
 

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1.5 Mil was the total purse offered to both fighters from Arum.

According to Arum in this article...he turned down whatever split was offered out of that 1.5 mil purse.



Arum Sounds Off on Lomachenko-Rigondeaux Possibility! - Boxing News

Maybe he was refering to the amount of the total fight purse that was offered when he says 1.5 mil isn't enough. :manny:

He didn't actually get offered 1.5 Mil though.

And you KNOW Loma would take the lions share of that purse (deservedly so). He's TR's golden boy so they tried to "Walters" Rigo.
 

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Rigo is Nicholas Walters'-ing himself.



He refuses to move up from 122 (a fight between Rigo & GRJ at 126 would be :whew: ), and when he gets placed on TV, he never forces the issue. He just waits for his opponent to come to him, and if they don't, he doesn't go after them at all....which bores the fans. Even Andrade learned from that and started seeking KOs, but Rigo just talks about it. Hopefully, he KOs Flores or at least tries to get him out of there when he has him hurt.



If Walters got the opportunities Rigo has had, Im sure he would've been much more successful with it bc outside of Loma beating the fight out of him, Walters comes to KO someone.

:ehh: Can't disagree with you there
 

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I don't trust Arum fammo

Me either, but those are Rigo's words.


I really don't trust Rigo at this point, bc I don't see him actively seeking to move up and get in the fray just 4lbs north.


He's calling people out, but they are at 126...he's at 122. A 4lb jump is nothing but a light meal for Mikey Garcia, so Rigo needs to move up asap.
 

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Me either, but those are Rigo's words.


I really don't trust Rigo at this point, bc I don't see him actively seeking to move up and get in the fray just 4lbs north.


He's calling people out, but they are at 126...he's at 122. A 4lb jump is nothing but a light meal for Mikey Garcia, so Rigo needs to move up asap.

Yeah should've been moved up & that's on him
 

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Yeah should've been moved up & that's on him
126 is on fire right now...he'd fight right in imo:wow:


He's The Man of a division who doesn't want to fight him bc he's too good and the purses are too little.


I don't know why fighters do this to themselves, then complain about "not getting fights":snoop:



Rigo vs GRJ
Rigo vs LSC
Rigo vs Frampton
Rigo vs Mares
Rigo vs Valdez
Rigo vs Diaz
Rigo vs Selby



All matchups that we'd go :obama: for



Move up Rigo:mjcry:
 

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I have been off rigo bs for 2 years now homie stay talking and trolling but fights once a year like everyone is saying if he wants these high profile fights move up and cut the shyt talking out
 
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