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You gotta knock out Canelo to beat him. He's making & generating too much money to really beat him on the cards.

His schedule the next five years will probably be 1 BS fight and 1 tough fight each year.
I think that's the same game plan every fighter in the sport uses at this point. As a matter of fact it's more like 2-3 BS fights for every tough one:yeshrug:.......let's be real. That's the main issue with boxing right now. We're not getting consistently good matchups all year. I don't even fukk with MMA but I'll tune into a great matchup. That's how you win over casuals.
 

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I think that's the same game plan every fighter in the sport uses at this point. As a matter of fact it's more like 2-3 BS fights for every tough one:yeshrug:.......let's be real. That's the main issue with boxing right now. We're not getting consistently good matchups all year. I don't even fukk with MMA but I'll tune into a great matchup. That's how you win over casuals.

Perhaps so

Prior to GGG, his last real fight was Cotto. He then had Khan, Liam Neeson, & Chavez Jr.

I feel like when Oscar, Mayweather, and Pacquaio were draws, they did a much better job selecting opponents then a guy like Canelo. If you're fighting once or twice a year, there is no need for tuneups.
 

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Perhaps so

Prior to GGG, his last real fight was Cotto. He then had Khan, Liam Neeson, & Chavez Jr.

I feel like when Oscar, Mayweather, and Pacquaio were draws, they did a much better job selecting opponents then a guy like Canelo. If you're fighting once or twice a year, there is no need for tuneups.
Like I said. That's the name of the game now. Don't just stop at canelo. Look at danny Jacob's last 5 opponents. Errol spence. Terrence crawford. Anthony joshua. The charlo brothers. Jarret Hurd. Little g's entire career before Jacob's. Majority of their opponents are C level fighters who stood no chance. This is a problem in the entire sport. It's not canelo's job to line up every elite fighter in the sport and fight em one by one. If these guys were fighting eachother and canelo was avoiding em that would be another story. But they're not. They're all content with fighting tomato cans until they get a huge payday. Floyd only fought guys who he knew 100% would bring him huge paydays. Guys who actually built up their reputation and fame. He said himself he didn't care about fighting the best. Only the the guys who would bring him the most money.
 

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Like I said. That's the name of the game now. Don't just stop at canelo. Look at danny Jacob's last 5 opponents. Errol spence. Terrence crawford. Anthony joshua. The charlo brothers. Jarret Hurd. Little g's entire career before Jacob's. Majority of their opponents are C level fighters who stood no chance. This is a problem in the entire sport. It's not canelo's job to line up every elite fighter in the sport and fight em one by one. If these guys were fighting eachother and canelo was avoiding em that would be another story. But they're not. They're all content with fighting tomato cans until they get a huge payday. Floyd only fought guys who he knew 100% would bring him huge paydays. Guys who actually built up their reputation and fame. He said himself he didn't care about fighting the best. Only the the guys who would bring him the most money.

I’m zoning in on Canelo, because he is the top draw, and he’s playing the game differently then the prior top draws.

Even though Mayweather said that, a lot of the guys he fought tended to be the best guy available, with the exception of Berto. He didn’t have guys like a Liam smith or rocky fielding.
 

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Perhaps so

Prior to GGG, his last real fight was Cotto. He then had Khan, Liam Neeson, & Chavez Jr.

I feel like when Oscar, Mayweather, and Pacquaio were draws, they did a much better job selecting opponents then a guy like Canelo. If you're fighting once or twice a year, there is no need for tuneups.

Khan, Beefy, and Jr has to be the 3 worst opponents any prime superstar A side talent in the sport has ever faced during a stretch of bouts.

I know that in this era, most cats gotta have a soft touch during the same year they fight a good opponent, but I can't remember anybody on Canelo level doing it to that extreme.

Rather a nikka just be on his Thurman shyt and disappear into the mountains for a while and come back when you serious.
 

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Khan, Beefy, and Jr has to be the 3 worst opponents any prime superstar A side talent in the sport has ever faced during a stretch of bouts.

I know that in this era, most cats gotta have a soft touch during the same year they fight a good opponent, but I can't remember anybody on Canelo level doing it to that extreme.

Rather a nikka just be on his Thurman shyt and disappear into the mountains for a while and come back when you serious.

Absolutely

When the top draw in boxing has a match, it’s suppose to be an event right? It takes a good B side to make it an event.

You look at PAC. When he snatched that spot from Oscar, he went on and did Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, Bradley, Marquez. These were all back to back. Could you pick this list apart? Sure, Cotto fought at a catch weight, Mosley was a little older, but I’ll take it.

You look at Mayweather. When he snatched it from Oscar, you had Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo, Maidana. You could also pick this apart, but at one point in time, guys like Ortiz and Guerrero were the best guys available.

Oscar himself had better matchmaking as well.

When I look at Canelo though, his matchmaking tends to be suspect. I’ll admit when Richard was at Golden Boy, he didn’t mind giving him risky fights like the Lara fight. If Oscar had his mind right, that fight never happens.
 

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Even though Mayweather said that, a lot of the guys he fought tended to be the best guy available, with the exception of Berto. He didn’t have guys like a Liam smith or rocky fielding.
This is just flat out not true. So Robert Guerrero was the best fighter at the time?:dahell:......victor ortiz?......maidana?.....a blown up Marquez?......none of these guys were the best at anything at those times. We not gonna sit here and rewrite history. Once floyd turned into money Mayweather he rarely ever fought the best guys available. And that's just a fact.


But canelo gotta fight all the top guys back to back. Put himself through non stop mental stress and intense training camps year round while the rest of these guys fight bums, go clubbing every weekend, and get the luxury of half assing it through all of their training camps. Wtf :mjlol:........50-50 fights take a huge mental toll on the fighters. And if the rest of these guys aren't willing to put themselves through it, then it shouldn't be expected of canelo either. shyt, Keith Thurman said out of his own mouth how much stress an errol spence would put him through and he's not ready for it. Canelo just fought the so called "best" middleweight in consecutive fights. Shookboys said he would avoid him and fight spike o Sullivan. Year long layoff, knee surgery. And canelo still went after little g and beat him. At this point, canelo don't gotta prove anything. Dude's heart is solidified.
 

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This is just flat out not true. So Robert Guerrero was the best fighter at the time?:dahell:......victor ortiz?......maidana?.....a blown up Marquez?......none of these guys were the best at anything at those times. We not gonna sit here and rewrite history. Once floyd turned into money Mayweather he rarely ever fought the best guys available. And that's just a fact.


But canelo gotta fight all the top guys back to back. Put himself through non stop mental stress and intense training camps year round while the rest of these guys fight bums, go clubbing every weekend, and get the luxury of half assing it through all of their training camps. Wtf :mjlol:........50-50 fights take a huge mental toll on the fighters. And if the rest of these guys aren't willing to put themselves through it, then it shouldn't be expected of canelo either. shyt, Keith Thurman said out of his own mouth how much stress an errol spence would put him through and he's not ready for it. Canelo just fought the so called "best" middleweight in consecutive fights. Shookboys said he would avoid him and fight spike o Sullivan. Year long layoff, knee surgery. And canelo still went after little g and beat him. At this point, canelo don't gotta prove anything. Dude's heart is solidified.
They were the best available when floyd fought them
Oriz- WBC champion, Top 3 in the division and Bob arum was the one ducking so forget about pac

Guerrero- Top 5 welterweight, the interim champion, his mandatory, ESPN and the ring had him ranked P4P lol . Who else should've floyd fought?

Maidana- WBA champion and was coming off a big win over Broner. Floyd could've fought Khan but khan wasn't a champion and wasn't coming off a big win.

It's still the #CaneloCartel though. fukk anyone criticizing Canelo for fighting rocky only 3 months after beating GGG's ass. :russ:
 
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They were the best available when floyd fought them
Oriz- WBC champion, Top 3 in the division and Bob arum was the one ducking so forget about pac

Guerrero- Top 5 welterweight, on P4P lists, the interim champion, his mandatory. Who else should've floyd fought?

Maidana- WBA champion and was coming off a big win over Broner. Floyd could've fought Khan but khan wasn't a champion and wasn't coming off a big win.

It's still the #CaneloCartel though. fukk anyone criticizing Canelo for fighting rocky only 3 months after beating GGG's ass. :russ:
I really don't care about titles. But everybody knew ortiz was a mental midget. He never stood a chance against floyd. Neither did Guerrero. Robert was picked solely cause of his Mexican fanbase.


But really I don't care about all that. There's still no way we can expect canelo to fight all the elite fighters one after another while the rest of these guys get to chill and take it easy all year. Canelo just fought little g in back to back fights. Nobody got a right to complain right now. If he goes on another streak of bad opponents that's different. Little g just got ordered to face charlo. Let's see if all these people complaining about canelo will keep the same energy when he ducks the fade and fights another bum :sas2:
 

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I really don't care about titles. But everybody knew ortiz was a mental midget. He never stood a chance against floyd. Neither did Guerrero. Robert was picked solely cause of his Mexican fanbase.


But really I don't care about all that. There's still no way we can expect canelo to fight all the elite fighters one after another while the rest of these guys get to chill and take it easy all year. Canelo just fought little g in back to back fights. Nobody got a right to complain right now. If he goes on another streak of bad opponents that's different. Little g just got ordered to face charlo. Let's see if all these people complaining about canelo will keep the same energy when he ducks the fade and fights another bum :sas2:

You look kind of silly. Ortiz came off the big win over Berto.

Robert benefitted from the WW division getting weak.

It’s unrealistic to expect Canelo to face top notch competition consistently, because he’s too beatable. PAC & May had runs where it looked like no one was fukking with them. I can’t say the same for Canelo.
 

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You look kind of silly. Ortiz came off the big win over Berto.

Robert benefitted from the WW division getting weak.

It’s unrealistic to expect Canelo to face top notch competition consistently, because he’s too beatable. PAC & May had runs where it looked like no one was fukking with them. I can’t say the same for Canelo.
There's nobody in boxing that's unbeatable today. Floyds not even unbeatable anymore which is why he wants no parts of the young killers out here. All of these elite guys are evenly matched. Canelo can lose to all the top guys at 160 and he can also beat em all too. Every single guy has their certain advantages. There's not one fighter who's far ahead of the pack. But seeing how canelo just beat the so called king and completely broke his will. Canelo stands at number 1 right now.
 
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