The France Thread: Oui Oui, Bonbons and all that bad stuff đŸ‡«đŸ‡·

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Your beef with son for just posting what he sees is one of the strangest things on this board.

The only trend anyone can draw is that the idea of a right wing nut coming to power has driven people
who would’ve otherwise stayed home to the polls. That’s what happened in 2020 in the US. That’s what polls are struggling to capture - the irregular or unlikely voter. In other words, Democrats just need to organize their asses off.

There’s nothing else that can be drawn from those two very different systems. The Labour Party in the UK won a slim plurality based on it being a multiparty first past the post system. That’s closer to Clinton in 92. The French election is the equivalent of Sanders and Warren voters putting beef aside and ensuring one of them ”won” the primary as a plurality. There’s no time to be drawing unhelpful comparisons- simply organize people and get them to the polls.
He has a very hard time separating his imagination from reality.
 

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I am skeptical that LR, PS or Greens would want to enter into a coalition with Macron's allies. As you yourself described in a previous post, Macron has done a lot to erode the power of all of these parties by expanding the center to the detriment of the center left and center right. Wouldn't entering into a coalition with Macron's allies put an end to their hopes to revive their parties as strong, distinct entities?

What about some sort of non-partisan technocratic PM, with assembly members just deciding how to vote and who to ally with on a case-by-case basis?
Exceptional times require exceptional solutions I'd say.

There is no majority anywhere so laws can't pass unless there are some unnatural alliances. In a packed parliament for crucial laws, 289 people guarantee a law to pass :
- NFP alliance needs 100 people outside the left
- Macron alliance needs 110 people either left or right of it
- RN needs 140 people outside the right (never happening)

Those numbers matter because any government can fall if a motion of no confidence gets through. It requires 1/10 of parliament to get voted on and absolute majority to pass.

The current PM (Attal) had its government almost fall a year ago but the motion only had 278 votes. And that was with Macron alliance having 250 members...
Now the biggest alliance in the parliament has 180 seats, I'll let you do the maths on its fragility :francis:


Regarding a technician PM, it's possible but right now there is nobody rising above the mass. We're not Italy but Draghi is a good example so it could be Lagarde but she is too tied to Republicans (she was a Chirac minister) and probably too much seen on the sides of banks in times where inflation is kicking everybody.

We'll see, the situation is too new for the moment.
 

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It's a good thing overall, it's probably not great and only "clean" in sunny weather but cleaner rivers can only be a postive thing to me.

Absolutely! Have you ever gone for a swim in the Seine though? Would you?

NY's tried to repair their rivers for decades with varying success. I don't think I would ever try swimming in the Hudson or East River the currents are pretty dangerous

A friend of a friend actually swam around Manhattan once in some event but they probably do triathlons in their free time

:heh:
 

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So what's going on? I just hear Melenchon is pissing the other leftists off.
Nothing is going on lol.

The NFP alliance is supposed to give one name for PM but they can't agree on anything. Socialists don't want a LFI affiliate, LFI doesn't want a Socialist.

I get it, LFI doesn't want anybody that could make alliances with the center. And Socialists want somebody that would allow the government to live more than 48 hours :lolbron:
 

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Absolutely! Have you ever gone for a swim in the Seine though? Would you?

NY's tried to repair their rivers for decades with varying success. I don't think I would ever try swimming in the Hudson or East River the currents are pretty dangerous

A friend of a friend actually swam around Manhattan once in some event but they probably do triathlons in their free time

:heh:
Hell no :russ:

I could bath in small rivers in the islands but no way in the Seine lol
 
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