The battle of Kursk

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Americans think they won WWII but the Russians did

[ame=http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=22xpNBJCS4U]Battlefield S4/E1 - The Battle of Kursk - YouTube[/ame]
 

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anyone who is familiar with WWII history know that Russia took the full force of Germany.
UK and US let this happen because they knew that the alliance with Russia was temporary.

Russia was allowed to bleed out so that it would be a weaker enemy once the war was over.

who knows how things would have played out if we actually helped them.
maybe the cold war could have been averted and we would have gone to the moon together.
 

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I always remind people to never diminish the role the Soviets played in WWII. If it wasn't for them holding back the Germans at Stalingrad, Moscow and Leningrad the war would of had a major different outcome. One of the major reason the Allies had success in Italy, North Africa and France was because you had over 10 million men duking it out on Eastern Front. We'll never see anything like that again.
 

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I always remind people to never diminish the role the Soviets played in WWII. If it wasn't for them holding back the Germans at Stalingrad, Moscow and Leningrad the war would of had a major different outcome. One of the major reason the Allies had success in Italy, North Africa and France was because you had over 10 million men duking it out on Eastern Front. We'll never see anything like that again.

let's hope that we never see that again.
 

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Should we ignore Lend-Lease supplies that were critical in t-34 production, and the Soviet successes? Supplies that were also critical in allowing th RAF to keep the western front open during 1940/41?

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If only Hitler had sat back and let his Generals do what they do best. The enemies of Germany had no chance.
 

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Should we ignore Lend-Lease supplies that were critical in t-34 production, and the Soviet successes? Supplies that were also critical in allowing th RAF to keep the western front open during 1940/41?

24 million dead Russians >>>> your graph.
 

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No really Nazis had no chance. Sooner or later they had to bump heads with the Soviets, and they were not winning that war.

:whoa: If Hitler had listened to his Generals and not being so obsessed with fighting pointless battles such as Stalingrad for the fukk of it. The Germans would have been in Moscow sooner, that shyt wouldn't have lasted until the winter. But Hitler wasn't hearing it.
 

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:whoa: If Hitler had listened to his Generals and not being so obsessed with fighting pointless battles such as Stalingrad for the fukk of it. The Germans would have been in Moscow sooner, that shyt wouldn't have lasted until the winter. But Hitler wasn't hearing it.

Man when you look back on it, this dude Hitler.....

Fighting in the Atlantic, North Africa and Eastern Europe

:deadrose:
 

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:whoa: If Hitler had listened to his Generals and not being so obsessed with fighting pointless battles such as Stalingrad for the fukk of it. The Germans would have been in Moscow sooner, that shyt wouldn't have lasted until the winter. But Hitler wasn't hearing it.

Stalingrad had some strategic importance. Really, Operation Barbarossa failed in the winter of 41 when it stalled out, and Britain kept up the fight in the west. Had they taken Moscow or not, it seems the Soviets would have continued fighting. They had no other option. The Wermacht was orders to give no quarter, and take no mercy. In the opening months alone the Einsatzgrupen slaughtered millions of civilians.

Remember, Operation Barbaross kicked off in June of 1941, the Battle of Stalingrad wasnt until the winter of 42/43.
 
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