Dr. Narcisse
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I clearly remember talking to brehs here that Hollywood Brown wasnt the best fit with Lamar Jackson.
Guys like AJ Brown fit Lamar's style better.
Guys like AJ Brown fit Lamar's style better.
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Only thing it's missing is the five out version
Somewhat true, but I put it more due to Roman's offense doesn't know how to utilize a guy like hollywood with the play-calling and formation packages at this point.
Dr. Narcisse
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True. However, everyone knew Lamar was not an outside the #s passer and Hollywood is an outside the #s wr. They are both talented enough to make it work though.
Just not as seamless cause Lamar prefers throwing inside the #s and Hollywood/even Roman knows he isnt comfortable around them flying helmets.
Nah, I think it's mostly scheme. I think with hollywood size is an issue as well since you can't force it as much as those bigger guys (AJ and DJ Chark) on the outside, and he really feasted on those deep post routes at OU which takes advantage of the middle of the field more anyway.
Roman hasn't shown really any creatively to get hollywood the ball in quick or have any dynamic route combinations outside to get him open consistently.
krazykid18
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I was way more impressed with this loss for the future of the Ravens usually when shyt goes bad this Lamar Jackson Ravens usually goes into getting punked and never gets on track but this game they came thru and should have WON the game with all the issues..in the 2 and 1/2 yrs that never happens it usually a blowout so i was actually happy too see the instant fight and they didn't totally leave the run game like they do in years past...
Also the Ravens defense is really escaping blame thru all the BS, Ravens had a lead in the 4th quarter and they let Steelers walk down and score a touchdown...
the first 2 turnovers were football it can happen turnovers....but THAT THIRD TURNOVER the play design was awful and Lamar should have never thrown that shyt that was just pure destruction waiting to happen
Also the Ravens defense is really escaping blame thru all the BS, Ravens had a lead in the 4th quarter and they let Steelers walk down and score a touchdown...
the first 2 turnovers were football it can happen turnovers....but THAT THIRD TURNOVER the play design was awful and Lamar should have never thrown that shyt that was just pure destruction waiting to happen
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I'm gonna throw out an alternative position on the Ravens offensive problems.
I'm not comparing Mahomes and Lamar's skill set, I'm gonna talk about the growing process and them being young quarterbacks.
KC keeps things simple for Mahomes to a certain extent. Mahomes has a tendency to throw exactly where the blitz came from. His receivers know this and turn around for the quick passes. He also scrambles to his right 90% of the time. When he feels the ends rush up field, he steps up in the pocket. If you've ever played football before, you know these are basic fundamentals and qb 101 type shyt.
Lamar on the other hand has poor fundamentals at times. He needs to learn where the blitzes are coming from, so he can throw those quick passes. His receivers need to learn how to read where the blitz is coming from too, so they can adjust their routes to help Lamar. This is where potentially having an older more seasoned TE would've helped Lamar be better against the blitz. I was impressed with his audibles on the run plays yesterday with the exception of 2 errors.
When the ends rush up field, Lamar can't really step up in the pocket because the interior oline is allowing the pocket to collapse.
I think Lamar's problems are due to him not having good fundamentals, him and the receivers not recognizing where the blitz is coming from; connecting on the hot routes and the oline not holding up.
Lastly, and I could be way off with this, Lamar may have issues dealing with complex defenses. Maybe Roman is keeping it simple for him because Lamar can't find the errors/weaknesses in the defenses and exploit them. I think we all can agree that some of the passes he attempts are ill advised. No every receiver and every throw aren't going to be open, but he forces the ball into double and triple coverage at times and I'm like
I'm not comparing Mahomes and Lamar's skill set, I'm gonna talk about the growing process and them being young quarterbacks.
KC keeps things simple for Mahomes to a certain extent. Mahomes has a tendency to throw exactly where the blitz came from. His receivers know this and turn around for the quick passes. He also scrambles to his right 90% of the time. When he feels the ends rush up field, he steps up in the pocket. If you've ever played football before, you know these are basic fundamentals and qb 101 type shyt.
Lamar on the other hand has poor fundamentals at times. He needs to learn where the blitzes are coming from, so he can throw those quick passes. His receivers need to learn how to read where the blitz is coming from too, so they can adjust their routes to help Lamar. This is where potentially having an older more seasoned TE would've helped Lamar be better against the blitz. I was impressed with his audibles on the run plays yesterday with the exception of 2 errors.
When the ends rush up field, Lamar can't really step up in the pocket because the interior oline is allowing the pocket to collapse.
I think Lamar's problems are due to him not having good fundamentals, him and the receivers not recognizing where the blitz is coming from; connecting on the hot routes and the oline not holding up.
Lastly, and I could be way off with this, Lamar may have issues dealing with complex defenses. Maybe Roman is keeping it simple for him because Lamar can't find the errors/weaknesses in the defenses and exploit them. I think we all can agree that some of the passes he attempts are ill advised. No every receiver and every throw aren't going to be open, but he forces the ball into double and triple coverage at times and I'm like
Thoughts on Tomlin's comments about Lamar.
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BmoreGorilla
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I think they’re missing Hurst more than they thought they would. Obviously getting him for a 2 was genius but they ran a lot of three TE sets last year and he had to be accounted for becuz of his athleticism. His numbers didn’t show it but he was the third highest targeted player for Lamar last year. Lamar still can’t throw outside the seams consistently and they took away one of the main players who ran routes in between the hashes
BmoreGorilla
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They must not be testing like they say they are. He was sick last week and shoulda never played yesterday. Hopefully he didn’t get anybody else sick
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Reporter: "You don't expect Lamar to turn the ball over like that, how did you prepare for Lamar."
Tomlin: "We respect Lamar but we don't fear him. We weren't surprised by anything that transpired"
I'm gonna throw out an alternative position on the Ravens offensive problems.
I'm not comparing Mahomes and Lamar's skill set, I'm gonna talk about the growing process and them being young quarterbacks.
KC keeps things simple for Mahomes to a certain extent. Mahomes has a tendency to throw exactly where the blitz came from. His receivers know this and turn around for the quick passes. He also scrambles to his right 90% of the time. When he feels the ends rush up field, he steps up in the pocket. If you've ever played football before, you know these are basic fundamentals and qb 101 type shyt.
Lamar on the other hand has poor fundamentals at times. He needs to learn where the blitzes are coming from, so he can throw those quick passes. His receivers need to learn how to read where the blitz is coming from too, so they can adjust their routes to help Lamar. This is where potentially having an older more seasoned TE would've helped Lamar be better against the blitz. I was impressed with his audibles on the run plays yesterday with the exception of 2 errors.
When the ends rush up field, Lamar can't really step up in the pocket because the interior oline is allowing the pocket to collapse.
I think Lamar's problems are due to him not having good fundamentals, him and the receivers not recognizing where the blitz is coming from; connecting on the hot routes and the oline not holding up.
Lastly, and I could be way off with this, Lamar may have issues dealing with complex defenses. Maybe Roman is keeping it simple for him because Lamar can't find the errors/weaknesses in the defenses and exploit them. I think we all can agree that some of the passes he attempts are ill advised. No every receiver and every throw aren't going to be open, but he forces the ball into double and triple coverage at times and I'm like
Not sure if its due to youth at the WRs and lack of reps with Lamar when it comes to the hot routes. I do think Lamar gets locked in to one guy or side of the field and makes it too easy for the defense to key in on that. Combined with our stale route combinations, doesn't leave too much to work with when the pressure comes.
I want to see JK more in the passing game to be somewhat of the safety valve/easy hot for Lamar when not something is there. But him being a rookie he might be limited playbook wise this season.
But yeah, Lamar makes a lot of turnovers that have you scratching your head thinking he's doing too much.
Hurst was great at running those inside seam routes and those hitches in the soft zones. I think Sneed has taken that role to some extent but now our running game isn't as dynamic since we can't run as many of those tight packages anymore.
The issue with throwing it outside IMO is who is your go to guy? Y'all get to see more games than me but whether its play-calling or WRs I'm not seeing a lot of good opportunities consistently on the outside. Which is having a big WR on the outside would be helpful.
