Teacher tells student pull up pants + slaps him; student slaps the ***** back then...

[Fredrick Thuglas]

he file charges on her and she filed charges back...using her Zimmerman logic.

She followed the kid in the parking lot and then said that her goal was to get the student away from her so she slapped him she aint expect for the young bul to slap her old ass back

Pat Frost, an English as a second language teacher for Anson High School in North Carolina, may lose her job after admitting to slapping a student during a dispute over saggy pants.

Frost was suspended after the incident occurred in June, and the district is still investigating the charges. At the time, she reportedly stopped 18-year-old Johnathan Smith to tell him to pull up his sagging pants. But Smith didn't comply, allegedly telling the teacher to "get the [expletive] out of his way" and shoved past her, WBTV reports.

When Frost followed him outside, reportedly to record his name, the teen began to charge at her, yelling that he would "[expletive] her up."

Smith told WSOC-TV, however, that he did pick up his pants and told the teacher his name -- but Frost didn't believe him.

"I never thought a teacher would lay her hands on me," Smith told the station.

Frost's attorney argues that Smith refused to give his real name and repeatedly threatened to assault her. Frost says her blow was out of self defense.

"Fearing she was about to be hit, Pat tried to create distance with the student and slapped him in the face in that effort," according to a letter from Frost's attorney. "He responded by striking Pat in the head. He then took off his shirt and started pounding on nearby cars in the parking lot yelling that he was going to get her fired and hoped that she would be killed."

While Smith denies hitting the teacher, both Smith and Frost filed charges against each other. Frost is waiting to hear the decision from Anson County school officials on whether she'll be allowed back in the classroom in the fall.

"It is not about me keeping my job, it's about teachers being safe," Frost told WBTV. "Children need to be safe, and so do teachers."

The dispute has spurred an online petition in support of Frost, a U.S. Army veteran of 25 years with a 13-year teaching career. From the "Support Pat Frost" Facebook page:

Those acquainted with Pat can see she has a natural inclination to teach children to respect themselves and others and to pursue their dreams. She has dedicated her life to teaching and is an inspiration to hundreds of children, including her own. Her passion for teaching and serving the community is obvious from the moment you meet her.

A Change.org petition calling for Frost's reinstatement as a teacher, and stopping "the potential for retaliation to be acceptable towards those who exercise their right to self defense" has garnered 750 signatures out of a 1,000-signature goal.

VIDEO: Pat Frost, North Carolina Teacher, Admits To Slapping Student Over Saggy Pants, Says She Acted In Self Defense

 

[havoc00]

lol @ a teacher telling me to pull my pants up or slap me. Perfect time to punch her bytch ass face in. always hated teachers

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Stupid bytch shoulda kept her hands to herself. fukk do some of dese hoes be thinkin trynna physically start shyt wit doods.

 

[TRBM]

Don't know what really happened but some of these kids need to get slapped

 

[Angel On The Rag]

i'd absorb the slap for some legal money

 

[ZILFIN]

should've minded her business. I find this funny.

 

[Nick Barnes]

i'd absorb the slap for some legal money

i would have hit the ground so fast, even started crying. I would have gotten paaaaaid.

 

[kash10003]

some of these teachers are out of line, i dont know anything about the kid, but he is irrelevant in the discussion, you cant do shyt like that as a professional

 

[Shugg84]

This shyt happened to me senior year..long story short, I was about to lawyer up, I had witnesses, and charges were dropped.

 

[BrothaZay]

When i got kicced outta school it was because the principles said "well you hit a teacher and we have other teachers as the witnessess"

Im like We inside a portable, how df another teacher gonna witness it, and even if they did, why didnt they do anything to stop it or notify the front office that a staff member was getting beat on

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

i actually witnessed something similar to this in grade school


teachers assistant yelling at a student because he was a smart ass ended up slapping him after telling him whats wrong with himself then apologizing so he wouldnt tell his parents and get fired


teachers that cant teach patience and restraint shouldnt even be allowed to teach anything

 

[Steve Murray]

She messed up by slapping him without him hitting her first (unless she claims she hit him while he charged at her; I wasn't clear on whether she stated she hit him while he charged at her or after he went up to her, then stopped). She loses there, and she should be punished for it. I'm also wondering if it's the school's policy for students to wear their pants properly (most likely, it is), as that will determine whether she had a good reason to tell him to fix his pants in the first place.

However......I believe the teacher's account is more accurate. I seriously doubt she would have slapped him after he already respectfully answered her and picked up his pants.

The most likely scenario was that he was being disrespectful after being asked to pick up his pants, then got mad at her and tried to play alpha male against her by getting in her face. She tried to one-up him, and it backfired. She should have let him carry on like a jackass, or even better, let him get the first hit.

Even if the student believed she had no right to tell him to pull up his pants, that doesn't excuse him from being an ass. Of course, most people on here will just focus on the teacher's error and not the student's. These are the same people who somehow find joy and humor in reading about a student disrespecting a teacher....then will complain about young men today not taking school seriously (and will make excuses for their own disobedient kids in the future when they act up in school). How do you expect them to take their education seriously if you excuse them from taking teachers seriously?

 

[msims]

She messed up by slapping him without him hitting her first (unless she claims she hit him while he charged at her; I wasn't clear on whether she stated she hit him while he charged at her or after he went up to her, then stopped). She loses there, and she should be punished for it. I'm also wondering if it's the school's policy for students to wear their pants properly (most likely, it is), as that will determine whether she had a good reason to tell him to fix his pants in the first place.

However......I believe the teacher's account is more accurate. I seriously doubt she would have slapped him after he already respectfully answered her and picked up his pants.

The most likely scenario was that he was being disrespectful after being asked to pick up his pants, then got mad at her and tried to play alpha male against her by getting in her face. She tried to one-up him, and it backfired. She should have let him carry on like a jackass, or even better, let him get the first hit.

Even if the student believed she had no right to tell him to pull up his pants, that doesn't excuse him from being an ass. Of course, most people on here will just focus on the teacher's error and not the student's. These are the same people who somehow find joy and humor in reading about a student disrespecting a teacher....then will complain about young men today not taking school seriously (and will make excuses for their own disobedient kids in the future when they act up in school). How do you expect them to take their education seriously if you excuse them from taking teachers seriously?

People will talk more about the teacher's error because she swung first; point blank. Regardless of the situation, she swung first. She is the TEACHER. An ADULT. I understand that the student was 18 (basically an adult), but the teacher is the elder. She should have known better.

Teachers can't do everything. Parents need to help more. She should have taken a mental note of the kid's face, and caught him the next day in front of another teacher, and recorded his name. Then she should have gotten the parents involved. If that fails, then it's (like most cases) the parents fault for not parenting correctly. Teachers can only do so much. She should have understood that, and not raised her hand against him.

Also, a child sagging his pants has nothing to do with his academics. The kid could have been an academic star. We don't know that. However, we do know that children dress stupid. It's in their nature. So using this incident to fuel your point of "young people not taking school seriously" is moot. The way you dress does not equal how you perform academically.

 

[Steve Murray]

People will talk more about the teacher's error because she swung first; point blank. Regardless of the situation, she swung first. She is the TEACHER. An ADULT. I understand that the student was 18 (basically an adult), but the teacher is the elder. She should have known better.

Let me ask you this: if (hypothetically) it was confirmed by other students that she indeed hit him while he charged at her and said he'd fukk her up, would you still say she was wrong for hitting him at that point? I'm only asking because you said 'regardless of the situation'.

Teachers can't do everything. Parents need to help more. She should have taken a mental note of the kid's face, and caught him the next day in front of another teacher, and recorded his name. Then she should have gotten the parents involved. If that fails, then it's (like most cases) the parents fault for not parenting correctly. Teachers can only do so much. She should have understood that, and not raised her hand against him.

Take a mental note of his face and get his name the next day? So at what point do teachers get to take an active role in correcting students? Should she do the same thing if he disrupts her class, or if she sees him beating up a smaller student or damaging school property?

She can't at least go up to the student and tell him to stop doing what he's doing? I'll bet you any amount of money that's what the student believed, which is why (according to her) he walked off after she spoke to him.

And THAT'S a problem. People think a teacher should only go in their class, drone on about whatever subject they're teaching and mark papers. That's it. The teacher can't say/do anything when a student acts up; they can only quietly make a note of it and tattle to their boss. And people wonder why some students don't respect them.

Also, a child sagging his pants has nothing to do with his academics. The kid could have been an academic star. We don't know that. However, we do know that children dress stupid. It's in their nature. So using this incident to fuel your point of "young people not taking school seriously" is moot. The way you dress does not equal how you perform academically.

I never suggested this. I was suggesting that his alleged reaction to the teacher telling him to pull up his pants, is an indicator of how little he respects the teacher, and most likely school in general. And just because some young persons prefer to dress improperly doesn't mean they should be allowed to go against the school's dress code. Rules are rules, whether they have to do with academics or not.

And he can have an IQ of 160, but that doesn't mean he should get a pass if he's disobedient and behaves like an idiot in school just because a teacher tells him to pull up his pants.

 

[havoc00]

Let me ask you this: if (hypothetically) it was confirmed by other students that she indeed hit him while he charged at her and said he'd fukk her up, would you still say she was wrong for hitting him at that point? I'm only asking because you said 'regardless of the situation'.



Take a mental note of his face and get his name the next day? So at what point do teachers get to take an active role in correcting students? Should she do the same thing if he disrupts her class, or if she sees him beating up a smaller student or damaging school property?

She can't at least go up to the student and tell him to stop doing what he's doing? I'll bet you any amount of money that's what the student believed, which is why (according to her) he walked off after she spoke to him.

And THAT'S a problem. People think a teacher should only go in their class, drone on about whatever subject they're teaching and mark papers. That's it. The teacher can't say/do anything when a student acts up; they can only quietly make a note of it and tattle to their boss. And people wonder why some students don't respect them.



I never suggested this. I was suggesting that his alleged reaction to the teacher telling him to pull up his pants, is an indicator of how little he respects the teacher, and most likely school in general. And just because some young persons prefer to dress improperly doesn't mean they should be allowed to go against the school's dress code. Rules are rules, whether they have to do with academics or not.

And he can have an IQ of 160, but that doesn't mean he should get a pass if he's disobedient and behaves like an idiot in school just because a teacher tells him to pull up his pants.