Sunz Of Man {The Last Shall Be First} is wildly underrated

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What a classic album :banderas:

I really don’t think there’s a single skippable track on the entire album. The production was very top notch :wow:Even RZA had like 3 bangers on there that were some of his best post Wu-Tang Forever production. True Master & 4th Disciple had some really dope production as well. The MC’ing throughout was great as they really stuck to the formula of just spitting reality raps all throughout the album.

I really feel this is a forgotten album that doesn’t get enough credit :blessed:

CLASSIC.
 

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I remember it was so hard to buy online on CD and in stores in Toronto. Every track I heard from it was dope. I have to check it all tho!
 
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The Plan and Intellectualz are my two favorite tracks off this album. Label politics really fukked up this release and their career as a whole to be honest. Sunz should have been way bigger and would have been if they dropped in '95 or '96. Their best songs weren't even on this album.

I'm a Sunz stan, I actually fukk with them more than alot of other solo Wu releases and affiliates.
 

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The Plan and Intellectualz are my two favorite tracks off this album. Label politics really fukked up this release and their career as a whole to be honest. Sunz should have been way bigger and would have been if they dropped in '95 or '96. Their best songs weren't even on this album.

I'm a Sunz stan, I actually fukk with them more than alot of other solo Wu releases and affiliates.
Word. The Plan is my shyt. Whole album flames & you’re right they got fukked big time. They were too dope to just flame out the way they did. I’m guessing the Wu affiliation helped them and hurt them at the same time. Killah Priest Heavy Mental a favorite of mine too.
 

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This is one of my favorite Wu albums overall. I loved the fact that you also had Killarmy and Gravediggaz out in the same timeframe, depending on your mood you could choose what kind of vibe you wanted. Great time to be a Wu stan.

The Plan and Intellectualz are my two favorite tracks off this album. Label politics really fukked up this release and their career as a whole to be honest. Sunz should have been way bigger and would have been if they dropped in '95 or '96. Their best songs weren't even on this album.

I'm a Sunz stan, I actually fukk with them more than alot of other solo Wu releases and affiliates.

What happened as far as the label fukking up their release and career?
 
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This is one of my favorite Wu albums overall. I loved the fact that you also had Killarmy and Gravediggaz out in the same timeframe, depending on your mood you could choose what kind of vibe you wanted. Great time to be a Wu stan.



What happened as far as the label fukking up their release and career?

The breh @BuddahMAC prolly has more insight on specific details than me, but they were one of the first acts on Wu-Tang Records, if not the very first one. Their album got delayed for years, I wanna say due to mismanagement from Power and Divine? Been a minute since I read up on it. I know cats were discussing it too on that thread awhile back about U-God dissing Sunz and Killarmy during his Vlad interview.
 

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The breh @BuddahMAC prolly has more insight on specific details than me, but they were one of the first acts on Wu-Tang Records, if not the very first one. Their album got delayed for years, I wanna say due to mismanagement from Power and Divine? Been a minute since I read up on it. I know cats were discussing it too on that thread awhile back about U-God dissing Sunz and Killarmy during his Vlad interview.

Yeah iirc that First Testament album that came out afterwards was basically tracks recorded before this album, sounding very 94-95ish
 

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The breh @BuddahMAC prolly has more insight on specific details than me, but they were one of the first acts on Wu-Tang Records, if not the very first one. Their album got delayed for years, I wanna say due to mismanagement from Power and Divine? Been a minute since I read up on it. I know cats were discussing it too on that thread awhile back about U-God dissing Sunz and Killarmy during his Vlad interview.
Funny thing about U-God dissing Sunz Of Man is that IMO he ruined the track Intellectuals with his wack ass hook :blessed:
 
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Funny thing about U-God dissing Sunz Of Man is that IMO he ruined the track Intellectuals with his wack ass hook :blessed:

:pachaha:

The actual song escapes me at the moment, but that hook is actually taken from a U-God verse.


Even funnier is that aside from 2 or 3 extras and Sunz of Man themselves, he's literally the only other person in the video for "The Plan". And he's not even on that song.

:dead:

*edit* There's actually a few cuts of a party scene and Tony Touch makes a cameo. But U-God is in every major shot in the video and he's the only other Wu member besides Sunz.


 

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The breh @BuddahMAC prolly has more insight on specific details than me, but they were one of the first acts on Wu-Tang Records, if not the very first one.

The first after Wu themselves. They dropped singles for Soldiers Of Darkness / Five Arch Angels ‎& No Love Without Hate in 95 and Bloody Choices in 96, which is when Wu-Tang Records signed the distribution deal with Priority Records.

Their album got delayed for years, I wanna say due to mismanagement from Power and Divine?

Nothing to do w/ Power/Divine. As evidenced from above, they were on the process to a release on Wu-Tang Records and, before the distro deal, the label wasn't even in a position to drop full length, which ended up being Killarmy's debut in 97. Why didn't Sunz come first and why none of the songs so far on it? A couple issues:

1) They ended up going specifically to a new imprint Threat on Red Ant that paid like a half million to buy out Sunz from their Wu-Tang Records contract. Now, I don't know exactly why the release had only new songs (especially b/c they played the old ones in the backgrounds of interludes) but I imagine it might have something to do with the contracts of Sunz on Wu Records vs Sunz on Threat especially if the distro deal w/ Priority added wrinkles that otherwise Wu wouldn't have to worry about working around on their own label before. Threat is where the mismanagement happened and the Sunz album and singles are the only things that imprint ever released (and Red Ant itself was gone a couple years later).

2) While all that was being formed, Killah Priest solo deal overlapped w/ the Sunz album and the solo was priority for KP. That's why the most known MC of the group is only on 5 songs. This caused conflict within the group, mainly between P Sunn & KP. The Wu overall backed the group members which is why you'll find Razah, 60, & Prodigal all over Wu features the next few years (plus second Sunz album w/no KP) and KP largely on his own. They've worked it out since though. Now, maybe the building animosity effected the older songs or songs w/ KP specifically being included?
 
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